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The Magic Ref Veteran user Flint, Mi. 302 Posts |
This looks like the Warren Steven's O-wee-Jee card haunted deck. Does anyone remember that one and is it similar?
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
Just got "Haunted" from Penguin. In a word: great. Practical and very visual.
You receive a DVD and several items -- all of which are necessary to achieve the full illusion. It's true that the gimmick has the potential to wear out -- but there are other gimmicks around (not for this kind of effect -- other effects) that have the same issues -- so this "wear out" factor is not something specific to "Haunted." You do, however, receive everything you need to immediately perform this -- plus you receive a spare gimmick (and the items necessary to construct additional gimmicks). The gimmick is structured so that it can be used only when it's necessary. So it's quite practical in terms of using the deck for other effects, and then performing this. Nothing is "move-y" about the method. It's pretty nice, actually and the DVD shows what you need to prep the gimmick, do the basic effect, and then several other effects. I'm actually surprised. My expectations were not high. But when I received it, I was pretty surprised: it works well, does what you see on the video, and is very straightforward. Very pleased with this. The issue, though, is not with this effect per se but with the idea of a haunted deck effect in general. The success really depends on your persona and the overall performance. Clearly this is something that needs to be routined properly -- otherwise someone will say, okay, wait -- there's a gimmick involved. As I say, though, that isn't a fault with the effect -- it's with the idea of a deck physically separating itself inside a plastic bag or under a clear bowl. So the spectators really have to be led into the effect, and the performer needs to sell the physical aspect of a deck separating by itself. For some folks, this is no problem. For me -- I tend to do more gambling/cheating stuff than "magical" stuff -- it's a tough sell. I have a hard time pulling this off. So this is something to think about. It certainly looks great -- and it's a bit creepy to set the deck under something and then -- several seconds later -- have it cut itself. It's neat to see, and I've been sitting here at my desk performing it for myself -- and liking very much how it looks. The cut is very slow -- anywhere from 10-15 seconds worth of "action" (as David Penn points out in his quick first look) -- and it really does look like something weird is going on -- weird, I mean, in a good way. Overall, a great effect. It doesn't fit my particular style, but I appreciate the fact that it does what it sets out to do -- and does it very well. |
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
Another good review thanks boinko
getting excited can't wait. todd |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10795 Posts |
Thanks Boinko - Great info and very helpful review
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
BTW -- the mix of methods is pretty darn clever. I opened the gimmick envelope, saw what it was, and couldn't figure it out the actual methodology until I watched the video. Then I went through the setup and prep, tried it, and was quite surprised how well it worked. It's a clever mix of priniciples. And what I especially like is the delay before the "cutting" happens. That's what's most interesting about the method -- and probably the neatest thing about the whole effect. There's a strange 5 or 10 second delay before the action happens. The delay is what really makes this intriguing -- and what makes it difficult for a spectator to backtrack. If the deck immediately cut itself when you set it down, it'd be far less effective. The fact that you can set it down and then have a slight delay (even you aren't entirely sure how long it'll take) and *then* have the deck start to move is fascinating.
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simcoscor Inner circle montreal 1140 Posts |
Thanks boinko, great review... Just ordered mine from Penguin
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
I think no one has answered the question yet. If someone immediately pick the deck and check the card above the target card or the card below it, will they find anything?
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
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On 2011-12-01 22:52, zhoudumu wrote: Others can chime in here, but my response to this question would be: look, if you have spectators immediately grabbing your deck of cards, you have serious audience management problems. Gimmicked or ungimmicked cards, you shouldn't allow any spec to grab anything out of your hand. I'm not sure if you're performing in a school situation (where it's probably common for folks to be so dubious that they immediately lunge for the deck to "check"), but regardless of where you're performing, this shouldn't be happening -- and no performer should let it happen. But if someone did lunge for the deck with the "Haunted" gimmick -- just 'cause they gotta "check" it -- there's a good chance they wouldn't know what to look for -- and might not even know that they found whatever they thought were looking for. Plus, it's fairly easy to bury the gimmick in the deck with a cut or two, and then it's really difficult to find. Not impossible -- but it's not exactly obvious. (I lost the gimmick in the deck and had to spread the cards slowly to find it.) The gimmick here is pretty subtle. Magicians would find it. But if a spec is clueless about typical "magical" methods, I wouldn't worry about it. (And if they do find something -- and realize that it's out of the ordinary -- then it's certainly not the fault of the effect!) |
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Scott Imler Special user Calgary, Canada 545 Posts |
I would also respond to this question about them looking right away. In the routine and blocking that Peter provides the impression that the audience will be left with is that they looked at the deck right after the effect is over. Anything that has to be "done" can be done before or during the time that the spectator is turning over his card to show you found it.If that is what we are defining as the end of the trick then in my blocking and routine they can look right away at the deck. You just need a brief sentence like "turn the card over yourself" they do and your work is done. I am not going to say I have worked this in 20 shows but I have done it to 4 people (countless practices too)Not one of the 4 seperate performances was there any doubt about the deck after they examined it as it is just a normal deck at that time. Hope that makes sense.
In short it is how you design your patter and blocking so the trick ends (card is revealed ) AFTER your work is done . If someone is grabbing the deck before you even reveal the card you are way off base in your presentation. |
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ahzhe Regular user 180 Posts |
How many gimmick can I build with the 'thing' supplied?
If I run out of the 'thing', is it easily available elsewhere? |
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Magicmike221 Special user Manchester UK 612 Posts |
Should be here later this morning.
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
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On 2011-12-02 02:32, ahzhe wrote: Yep. |
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SmithMagicMan Regular user 179 Posts |
Does this involve thread? I don't really like thread work(:
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10795 Posts |
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On 2011-12-02 10:33, SmithMagicMan wrote: Go read back and read through the "thread"
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SmithMagicMan Regular user 179 Posts |
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On 2011-12-02 10:49, saysold1 wrote: K. |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10795 Posts |
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On 2011-10-11 13:51, PHSIS wrote: Way back Janet Harris said that you would have to go "out of your way" to break the gimmicks...
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
Everyone talks about audience management. But it is useless here, I just deliberately want people to look at the deck before I even touch it.That is my goal. I do not want to cut the deck and then let them check it.
Anyway like rasmus said it will be real magic if it can be done like that.I think I will just give up my thought. Quote:
On 2011-12-01 22:58, boinko wrote: |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
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On 2011-11-22 14:12, Uli Weigel wrote: I've edited your post but fully agree with your comments. Firstly, there's nothing in THIS version that you can't similarly achieve with an ITR - and with a borrowed deck (if necessary). Secondly, Finn Jon's 'Esoteric' (released by Ken Brooke in 1975) revealed THREE cards by the deck cutting itself on the floor by moving in THREE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS! PLUS the chosen cards moved more or less completely out of the pack. To this end, in essence you could say that this version is only a third as good as something released over 36 years ago! Sorry if I sound as if I'm suffering from 'old fartitis'.....but a fact is a fact.
Barry Allen
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boinko Elite user Illinois 427 Posts |
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On 2011-12-02 11:38, zhoudumu wrote: If you're asking -- can they check the deck before you do the effect? Yes -- they can check it, shuffle it, check it some more. You don't bring in the gimmick until the last moment. It's not something that you keep in the deck before the trick. You can use the deck for any other effect prior to performing "Haunted". |
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Bobbert Regular user Alberta, Canada 152 Posts |
Woww Merc Man's post just struck a bit of hope in me. There was this haunted pack thing that someone did on a video long time ago (Maybe Keith Barry?) Where the pack cut itself three times. If you put in three haunted gimmicks could you achieve this? I don't have it but I assume it would be hard to load three cards though
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