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PHSIS Veteran user Kailua-Kona HI 385 Posts |
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We had a very serious discussion about the ad when Haunted was first released. The intent was to be as honest and accurate as possible with how Haunted was different than past versions of the effect..what the practical advantages were for the performer. For all practical and handling purposes...for all the reasons that magicians would care about..there are no loops or thread work. Note that loops are known in the magic world as those things you wear around your wrist. And "Thread Work"..is known to magicians as having to deal with thread hook ups..where a length of thread is visible..or attached to the body..or anything handled like classic invisible thread. There are none of these issues with Haunted. For all the reasons that someone might not want to use a loop or a thread..Haunted is the answer. It is self contained, and in fact, there are no magician's loops or thread work or anything that has those same handling limitations or restrictions. How else would you say this to give a fair and accurate description of what's special about this effect with going into exposure? Yes, if you were a lawyer in court..and for example there was a piece of cloth as a prop..you might argue that a thread is involved because cloth is made from thread...or that one of those imbedded pieces of thread inside the cloth was sewn into a tiny circle..is defined as a Loop. But of course that's crazy..that would be playing word games to create an argument that doesn't reflect the true performers experience Haunted. So please consider what Haunted allows you to do before assuming that we were playing word games. I'm hoping you all understand that for the performer who cares about all these actual handling issues.....that Haunted does indeed deliver on what was promised. Janet Harris |
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
Finally it has arrived.
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On 2011-12-17 16:48, bowers wrote: Woo-hoo!
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2011-12-08 10:41, deanbarlow wrote: Deanbarlow, IMHO, I think your handling of 'Haunted' is thee best. Very clever handling I must say. I really liked THIS handling of Haunted. After adding the timer mechanism to Static, I feel that (based on your handling), 'Static' should also play equally well. I will give 'Static' a try. Thank you for sharing!
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deanbarlow Loyal user 264 Posts |
Ustaad,
Thank you for your nice comments on my handling. It has taken me a while to change & control the gimmick but I am more than happy now with the results. I always perform it as per my video eg: on an up-turned wine glass. The suspense is great as people wait for the cards to topple off the glass and the chosen card shoots out! Thanks. |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
Like Themagiczone's handling was made a part of Haunted, it would be great if Deanbarlow's handling is also made part of Haunted.
Are the producers of 'Haunted' listening? P.S. Quote:
On 2011-12-18 04:37, deanbarlow wrote: Sure, it does create grater suspense. Sorry for going off topic. As I said in my previous post, I feel this handling will work better using Static since the gimmick has greater push power (due to obvious reasons) than Haunted. I will give it a try. Back on topic please.
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deanbarlow Loyal user 264 Posts |
Ustaad,
PM'ed you. |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
Got it and replied please.
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
Haunted saved me the other day when the thread version I do let me down when one end came adrift.
Luckily I've been combining the 2 in my routine so I just went into haunted straight away. I've also found room temperature has an impact on release speed and I've ended up preparing 3 gimmicks with different amounts to allow for this. This has meant 3 or sometimes 4 grain of rice size amounts. When I get time I'll do a Jack, Queen and King so I can easily remember which is quickest. If you test with the Queen you can go up or down depending on your result.
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2011-12-19 09:29, themagiczone wrote: Great tip! Thank you.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2011-12-18 04:37, deanbarlow wrote: It is a cool handling. Have you gotten it to happen a little faster than in the video you posted? That's the only downside I could see, that the effect was a little protracted for my tastes.
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Lar Veteran user New Port Richey, FL 318 Posts |
My own experience with Haunted has unfortunately been disappointing and somewhat frustrating.
I do have Mark Traveroni's additional notes and thanks to those I can consistently get the card to pop out (or sometimes just peek out) of the deck end of the haunting. This is great I love it. However the biggest issue I have with Haunted is in obtaining a reasonable consistency of effect. Sometimes the haunting is just right, sometimes its too fast, sometimes its too slow, occasionally it doesn't haunt at all. I realise that there are a number of elements that determine the quality/consistency of the haunting, some are part of the preparation & setup of the effect itself, others are down to the actual handling during performance. If you have Haunted then you will no doubt know what I mean. Tweaking the effect and practice will I hope make perfect. I will persevere. I just wish Haunted wasn't so ***ed fiddly and inconsistent. I'd love to perform Haunted but at present I don't have confidence in the effect looking like I want it to look every time I perform it. That's ultimately what I want to achieve. When the deck hits the table the haunting may look superb or it may just look so-so, it really is anyone's guess. Regards, Laurence. |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2011-12-20 23:55, lhookway wrote: Laurence, I fully agree with you on the above. Let it be 'Haunted' or 'Static', tweaking the effect and practice will NOT make it perfect. That's MY personal opinion. As Laurence has very clearly pointed out, the consistency of performance, whether it is one performance or a few repeat performances during the same time frame, will depend on many factors. The most important & crucial factor is the time, place and the moment the deck is released to do its magic with relation to the time, place and moment the timer mechanism was setup and given a try for its smooth functioning. These two will greatly vary unless you take time off to test the timer mechanism just before the actual performance. Even then you are unsure as once again a number of factors (I will not go into them) come into play at the time of actual performance. On the above, some may and some might not agree with me. But that is of less concern to me as I have formed my above opinion based on several hours of trial and error to achieve a consistent result but gave it up as a futile exercise. Yes, the effect has given ME much better results when I shifted the position of the timer mechanism to one corner (top corner). You might like to give this a try. Happy Haunting! P.S. I have given MY opinion and I would not like to get into a debate on the reliability and consistency of the working aspect of Haunted. It might have flawlessly worked for MANY but certainly did work for me. However, when I changed the location of the timer mechanism it did give me (most of the time) a much better & reliable results.
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
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On 2011-12-20 23:55, lhookway wrote: I'm glad you are getting the card out most of the time it really does work and at worst as you say it may stick out or just cut the pack if its gone wrong for some reason, but that's just as good as the original as the card should still jump out if that's what you want. My Haunted notes were written in the first couple of weeks after release and I am still working on the tuning of the gimmick. My notes go some way to start you off and I mention in a post above I've found room temperature and even a gimmicks that's warm will change the delay. Each gimmick is also a little different the way its made so no 2 are the same meaning tuning will be a little different. Making up a 3 gimmicks with differing amounts may solve this issue to be able to move up or down on delay time. I'm also seeing less can give jerky movement but a little more smooths things out which I think looks better. The reason I'm still working on this is that it does look fantastic and is getting great reactions, but as a working magician I know it has to be very reliable or maybe consistent is the word as you do get an effect every time. I've also been having a couple of trail runs before I do it for real just to be sure how it will react in performance, it also warms the gimmick up, this can easily be done before you start work.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Where is Peter on these thread comments?
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Merlin Veteran user Palmerton, Pa 362 Posts |
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On 2011-12-21 09:51, saysold1 wrote: I agree, I emailed his site twice already, about the updated notes, and not heard back yet. |
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Lar Veteran user New Port Richey, FL 318 Posts |
Just following on from my original post (and subsequent follow up posts) regarding consistency of effect.
Ustadd mentioned that "Let it be 'Haunted' or 'Static', tweaking the effect and practice will NOT make it perfect. That's MY personal opinion." I have to agree with Ustadd to some extent although I guess it depends on what degree of perfection you are looking for. No matter how much I practice Haunted the actual "haunting" is dependent on other factors that are quite literally out of the performers hands. When the deck hits the table and the haunting begins you have no way of knowing how good (or bad) the haunting will look. Could enough practising/tweaking make it so that each and every I perform Haunted I get some kind of decent haunting effect (even just a half cut is OK) in a timely fashion (lets say between 5 and 30 seconds) ? I really don't know, I'm still practising and tweaking. I will say though that my experience has been that roughly 25% of the time I get either.... 1. No haunting at all. 2. An ultra fast haunting that starts in less than 5 seconds. 3. An ultra slow haunting that takes more than 30 seconds to start. For me (and this is just my opinion) these 3 are effect breakers. Any faster than 5 seconds and I wouldn't have the opportunity to build tension and frame the haunting effectively. Any more than 30 seconds of inactivity causes me to have an internal "oh no" moment and hold my breath wondering if the haunting is going to become a non event. The other 75% of the time I do get a decent haunting. When I do achieve a haunting about 50% of the time I get a nice pop out which looks fantastic. The other 50% of the time I get a reasonable cut which whilst not as fantastic as a pop out still looks incredibly spooky. So I will keep on practising. On a side note the handling I really like (shown by Peter on the DVD) and would ultimately like to perform is the one where the card is signed and returned to the deck, the performer gives the deck a quick overhand shuffle, places the deck on the table and asks the spectator to give the deck a complete cut. The spectator is the last person to touch the deck. Shortly afterwards the haunting begins. This is superb. This is the handling and I have been working on. This may be one of the more tricky handlings for Haunted because timing becomes even more crucial. You have to be careful shuffling the deck for obvious reasons, plus if the spectator takes took long to cut the deck then you may have a premature haunting which would look pretty bad. Given the problems I have had with consistency I don't think I will ever be confident performing Haunted in a walk-around setting where you would perform Haunted multiple times in a set period of time. I appreciate that you could make multiple setups or even tweak Haunted on the go with some extra stuff when you have downtime but I really don't want to be spending time doing that. Too much hassle, too fiddly. However as a one-off effect in a parlour setting or say to impress the big boss at a special event Haunted could be ideal. If I have the luxury of setting things up just right prior to just that one performance Haunted could work. At present though I always seem to be thinking "bloody hell I hope it works this time" when I do a haunting. That's what is holding me back. If/When I find that I am not thinking that anymore then I will know I am ready to perform Haunted live. Regards, Laurence. I need to have a big think on this. Regards, Laurence. |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
And whilst the trials and tribulations continue long into the night, my Finn Jon Esoteric Deck (purchased from Ken Brooke in 1977) that cuts itself 3 times thus revealing 3 chosen cards, continues to consistently melt away just like a dream.
I just adore these 'advancements' in modern day magic!
Barry Allen
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
Fin Jon was (and is) a Norwegian magic genius.
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10794 Posts |
I should say FINN JON.
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