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Wouter New user Holland 62 Posts |
One evening I was performing for three people and one guy started to crab my dirty hand. He wanted to look if the coin was there. I pulled my hand away and he tried again and it became a struggle. In the end a had to walk away being realy upset. Does anyone has experience with handeling rude behaviour?
Wouter
Coin magic. Easy to learn, hard to master.
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puggo Inner circle 2022 Posts |
The more you work, the more you meet idiots. The more idiots you meet, the better you are at preventing a situation arising, or dealing with it.
Or something like that. I was doing a rope routine once and a woman grabbed my hands and demanded that I open it. In the end, I just opened my hand, showed her the two ends (the hidden bit!) and politely said 'Well it's not real magic!' and carried on with the routine. Try not to let the idiot see you are bothered - others will want to see your magic. You get better at reading an audience, although after 5 years or so of performing, I still get surprised! Good luck and stay positive Charlie |
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Wouter New user Holland 62 Posts |
Charlie,
Thanks for your advice. I'll guess there are always idiots were ever you go. I had a similar experience once, I was performing David Roth's coin flurry. One guy was shouting: the coin is in his other hand, the coin is there, I have friends who can do that to, and the other spectators were preventing the guy from grabbing my hands, until I produced the jumbo coin in the end. He was totaly amazed and turned around, telling me that I fooled him. I'm surprised of all the different reactions people have, some reactions are difficult to anticipate. Wouter
Coin magic. Easy to learn, hard to master.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Yea Knowing How to do magic Is EASY! Knowing WHEN to do magic is HARD!!!
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Wouter New user Holland 62 Posts |
I've noticed. Sometimes that coin is burning in my hand ready to go while I'm looking for a good moment to produce it and start to do some magic but that moment never arrives and I end up doing nothing, feeling disappointed.
Coin magic. Easy to learn, hard to master.
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Tom Williams New user England 6 Posts |
Wouter, I know how you feel. It seems so easy at first, but to go out there and successfully do your stuff can be a real challenge. I don't think that people stop to address this enough!
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Wouter New user Holland 62 Posts |
Working at a table, makes me feel a lot more comfortable, with people in front of you. The spectators are sitting at a distance and they're not breathing in your neck. On a table I feel I have more controle of the situation. But table work has limitations. I'm practicing more walk around routines because I want to perform anywhere anytime.
The hardest part is to approach strangers who have no idea what you are going to do.
Coin magic. Easy to learn, hard to master.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
That's way a good opener is Is important!
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magicbart New user Chambly, Québec, Canada 85 Posts |
I try in my routine to have momentum. I try not to give anyone the chance to interrupt the routine.
On that point, the most hard people do to magic are your friends. They know you, and you are not a magician working but someone they know and can have fun with. That is why my friends are my "beta tester" . With my wife, its even harder. Practice with them so that when you meet "idiots", you will have more experience. I remember when a started doing kid show in homes. So... I had no experience... Doing the sponge ball routine. I was placing one ball in my pocket, how many do I have in my hand.. 3... I put 1 in my pocket... How many in my hand... All gone !... At that point a kid came near me (did not see him coming)and put his hand in my pocket, I took his hand out and then... 3...4...I don't remember...5... kids came rushing onto me trying to go in my pocket....Now its funny but then... It was my worse show ever.Saying to myself :" I don't want kids !" My pocket was detroy. I had to buy a new toxedo. Anyway. The next day I was thinking of way not to find myself in this situation. With time, Im better. So next time you meet a "idiot", after the show think of ways to have fun with this situation. In your situation, you have a few outs: 1- Use the Micheal Ammar T***T 2- Sleeve the coin 3- Do the killer dragon karate move !... euh ... maybe not The inconvenient is that going for a "out" shorten your routine or ends it. Good luck when you meet your next best friend Coinly yours
What your brain can imagine, you can create it. Dont wait, just do it.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
We all have, or will have these experiences. The more you perform the less they happen. Not because you run into fewer "idiots" but because you become a better performer in every sense of the word (not just technique).
Think about this: A spectator says "it's in that hand" and grabs your hand. But there is nothing in your hand. He says, wow you're good and every one laughs. Now, we don't mind this kind of spectator do we? Someone who is outspoken and a little grabby but wrong. We actually try sometimes to bait people into doing this because it can be a great moment. We only dislike the guy who is right. Another thought: Several people you know occasionally pull out trick or joke of some sort. If they fool you they make a big deal out of it and make you feel like an idiot. If you catch them you are a hero. It's a game you and your friends play. You've been on the winning side and the losing side. Now some new guy wants to play this game but you've caught him. No big deal to you, you've just caught him. But he seems terribly upset. Weird. As a performer you have to address these kind of concerns in your demeanor and statements. You have to put people at ease. "I don't take myself too seriously". "I'm not trying to fool you, I'm just showing you something I think is interesting". Of course you don't actually say it. So when you run into an "Idiot" say to yourself. "I'm pretty good but I could be better. How could I have headed that off and turned that "Jerk" into my biggest fan?" Ultimately if anything goes wrong in your performance it's your fault. Experienced comedians don't have problems with hecklers. |
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
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On 2011-10-10 17:32, David Neighbors wrote: I totally agree! Great words of wisdom from Mr. Neighbors!
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts |
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On 2011-10-10 15:35, Wouter wrote: I've got a personal rule of thumb: anytime somebody expresses a suspicion, chances aren't bad that many other people there are thinking it. Try not to think of it as rude behaviour. The guy pointed out a weakness. Make the magic bulletproof, make sure the guys who make guesses are wrong, and then you won't have to worry about that sort of thing in future. What's more, the other people there who are quiet will have a better experience, because the magic will be better.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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Wouter New user Holland 62 Posts |
Thanks for al the good advice!
Coin magic. Easy to learn, hard to master.
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
"Knowing WHEN to do magic is HARD!!!" So true! I always appreciate Mr. Neighbor's wisdom; meritoriously earned from the School Of Hard Knocks.
I have walked away from several opportunities. Didn't feel right; something "off." Figuring there will be another time and place; with people who appreciate you. This applies to life in general also. It also boils down to RESPECT. You are about to show the spectator something they have never seen and may never see again! There is huge VALUE in the uniqueness of this form of entertainment. There are some magicians who are Ego based---"Look at ME!"---and will perform anywhere for anyone to get attention. There are other magicians who respect themselves and the craft, holding both in high regard. It's all tied into attitude about who we are and what we want to accomplish. Lavand or Slydini would walk into a room and have instant respect. Before doing a single effect. How we carry ourselves and our demeanor have a lot to do with it. With a heckler or just plain disrespectful person, I'll stop and just look at them and make a soft comment pertinent to the situation. Sometimes I'll just stop, quit everything, indicating "another time." They will RESPECT you! And there have been a few occasions I've looked at the heckler, waited a moment or two and said, "Okay, let's start again." And either re-started that same trick or started a new one. It is wise to instill HONOR in what we do. I would wager most of us have taken YEARS to hone our routines. Sometime it's better to walk away and find that appreciative audience later.
TH
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
I second Andrews observation. If one person grabs your guilty hand serveral others were thinking the same thing but were too polite.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Thanks TH,
I did not Always have That! 35 years ago or so My teacher used to say! " Your do magic at the drop of a hat! " When you are Yong And just starting out you just want so badly to show people what you got! And guess what Some people don't want to see it! Can you believe that! So be a good Gen. And pick your times and places! |
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
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On 2011-10-11 01:50, MeetMagicMike wrote: Wanna bet? Take a look at some of the videos on YouTube of some well known comedians. They relish ripping them a new one in front of the audience. Although, most comedians wouldn't consider these people to be true heckler, because they're malicious. If you're offended by anything, you may not want to click on these links. These are videos of the late Bill Hicks and the late Greg Giraldo, handling hecklers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PdKpR9qNtg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMe8-pINEGs Many of the big names simply have security haul these people out of the venue. Drunks are turned away at the door, in bigger venues. |
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
Not that it matters but I handle rude behavior quite easily. My cousin Luigi accompanies me to all of my gigs. Luigi is 6' 7" and 290 lbs. No one is EVER rude when Luigi is there - except Luigi.
Wouter, audience management is SO important and so is your consciousness of what you are doing. We all have tells and part of what we have to practice is eliminating those tells. When I "place" a coin into my right hand, I BELIEVE it is there. This seems so obvious and perhaps others might debate this but directors and accomplished actors will tell you that CONVICTION is crucial. If you believe that you have placed an object into your other hand, your audience will too. Tommy Wonder - and many others in the art and outside of it - have written many essays about conviction and for magicians how it relates to misdirection (or directed attention as Wonder put it). Does this mean you will NEVER get caught? Not at all! We DO make mistakes and perhaps that night you may have unconsciously drawn attention to the dirty hand; it happens. I would argue however that conviction does greatly minimize the grabber's efforts. Gary Ouellet talked about the close up mat as a stage; that we as magicians should employ the same techniques as stage actors. I believe that Ouellet's theory is germane here as well as Wonder's. Ahimsa, Vlad |
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
Alan Munro,
I didn't mean experienced comedians don't get hecklers, I said they don't have problems with them, as your videos show. Now, if I were in that audience I would prefer that they handle it differently but I'm kind of a prude by their standards. I probably should soften my statement a bit though. There are people who are just impossible to deal with. I just think we are too quick to label someone a "troublemaker" or "jerk" rather than working on our audience management and making our magic bullet proof as Andrew mentioned. I had a bit of a rough night at the restaurant tonight. I was trying out Marlo's Estimation Aces and the routine was going well until one guest declared that he could see the "white line" on the edge of the deck. (The routine does not use any marks, crimps, gimmicks of any kind). He said "watch this" and looking closely at the edge of the deck cut right to one of the remaining aces. He then said "I can do it again" and leaned in close to the deck and cut to the last ace. There wasn't much I could do. I shook his hand and said "wow, good job". He said that he had seen me many times and that was the first time he had caught me. He wasn't being malicious. He just thought he saw exactly how the tricks was done. He was wrong about what I was doing but I guess he was right in what he saw. Weird. The first chance I got I took the deck out to my card and looked closely at the edges. I'm not exactly sure what he saw but I did notice that the cards were not cut very well. Some cards were visible wider than others. It was also not a new deck and some cards were warped. I guess he just noticed the area I was cutting in and saw an irregularity. I guess I'll make sure to have a high quality newish deck for that routine. I never had trouble with regular Bikes before and thought others were being a little snobbish with their quest for perfect cards. Live and learn. (Oh, in case any one wonders why I let him interupt my routine and cut the cards the answer is simple. Because I didn't think he could cut to one Ace let alone two. It would have been great if he had thought he saw a line and cut to it and got a four of clubs) |
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
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On 2011-10-11 19:54, Vlad_77 wrote: Vlad and his cousin Luigi: :lol: Jim |
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