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OTTOEMEZZO Special user 544 Posts |
What would you do if you came up with the "Holy Grail"? I'm not talking about the perfect ACAAN solution. What I mean is that you came up with the cleaniest, most impossible effect that would puzzle and entertain not only every layman, but also every magician and mentalist.
Would you sell the effect and try to capitalize on your innovation? Would you share it with the closest friends who you can trust, or would you simply keep it selfishly to yourself?
"The Swan Song" is my last release to the mentalism community. Only a few copies remain!
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Illusionist of the Mind New user 62 Posts |
Selfishly keep it and then I'd rub it in everyone's face who said I'd never make it big.
I imagine the perfect effect would be similar to p**-***w, but with people selected at random and with a genuine look of amazement on their faces. |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10604 Posts |
I would say share it with we and we can decide (lol). This is interesting because I've often tought about this myself, and I think it depends on the type of person you are. I myself would do like many in the PEA and other close-knit groups would do which is share it with the small group. This often allows others to see and appreciate what you've created and in some cases those there may offer additional insight to make it even better or possible improvements or additional handlings, uses, etc.
Others have or feel the need for recognition from the entire magic community, which I too can understand. If you created it and have the desire to offer it to the community at large it can make you highly regarded and respected and quite credible within the magic community. Then there are those that just want it for personal fulfillment for their own use. While there's noting wrong wit that, I feel that soon others will then try to replicate it and do their best interpretation of it, then what happens is a cheaper version starts circulating, which I would imagine would make you as the creator quite frustrating. Some create to share, some create to profit handsomely from it, others so they have something that only they have and others do not. It's really personal preference. I must say having recently purchased your Secret Files, it is great, thank you. In this case I feel you added something quite valuable to a classic of mentalism that will make a lasting impact. I'm glad you shared it. Based on this I hope you do offer your "holy frail" and share it with some of us. The other thing you must remember, what may be the "holy grail" to one person, may not necessarily be to anther. It's all subjective, unless you have created something that transcends these lines. Which I truly hope so. Best of luck. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Even if you had real powers, your demonstrations would not puzzle and entertain EVERY audience, mentalists, magicians and laymen alike. If you were JC himself and legitimately walked across water, there would be at least one guy in the audience (probably an agent) who'd say, "Yeah, Yeah. I saw Criss Angel do that. What else do you do?"
As far as entertaining an audience goes, there is no Holy Grail effect that could ever do that because effects don't do the entertaining. The performer does. Good thoughts, Bob |
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
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On 2011-10-11 09:41, mastermindreader wrote: As I read recently, it's the singer not the song. The simplest of effects in our eyes seem to the audience virtually the same as the most expensive of effects. The complications just make us feel better about ourselves.
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magicman29 Inner circle hertfordshire 1245 Posts |
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On 2011-10-11 09:41, mastermindreader wrote: Well said bob! Kieran |
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2674 Posts |
If I came up with the Holy Grail I'd use it to make a sequel.
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Christian & Katalina Elite user 407 Posts |
Could not agree with Bob more on this posting.
My wife and I perform a full evening show that runs 75 minutes. We have found over the years that placing the same effect in different parts of your show will garner different reactions. If you place (effect A) at the beginning of the show, people will say it was fun. Place it near the end and (effect A) might now be regarded as one of the favorite pieces in the show. Place (effect A) as the finale and now People will think it is the most amazing and possibly a true ability. Additionally, I have seen the same effect performed by different performers and get wildly different reactions. It is never just the "trick". It is the premise, the character, the blocking, and the script that creates the effect in the mind of the audience. Sorry . . . There is no "Holy Grail". But I simply reiterate what Bob has already stated.
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Looch Inner circle Off by 3353 Posts |
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OTTOEMEZZO Special user 544 Posts |
I certainly cannot argue with Bob's statement that performer creates entertainment, not the effect. However, would anyone argue that every effect is as good as any other? Clearly, there are effects that are more impressive, entertaining, and impossible to the audience than others. Otherwise, we would not search or try to create the best possible effects FOR OURSELVES. If every effect was the same in entertainment value and astonishment, why would we not simply use the first effects we ever came across, and never purchase another effect?
Also, the question is clearly hypothetical. I do not believe there is a single "Holy Grail" in mentalism either. Everybody has his or her own criteria.
"The Swan Song" is my last release to the mentalism community. Only a few copies remain!
"Unholy Grail" is now available! Features Perfected Day for Any Date, Ultimate PK Touches, Triple Drawing Duplication, and The Presence (my ghost effect)! Everything is 100% prop-less! "Tres" LIMITED EDITION e-Book contains my signature "No Touches" PK Touches! Now SOLD OUT! "Reverie" is for sale! Features extremely strong, 100% prop-less mentalism effects! "Secret Files" is NOW AVAILABLE directly through me. Contains the EASIEST DAY FOR ANY DATE version!!! |
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Christian & Katalina Elite user 407 Posts |
Otto,
I'm not sure you're asking the right question. For argument's sake lets eliminate tricks that are clearly inept and unworkable. To say that one effect is "better than another", "stronger than another", or "more entertaining than another" still harkens back to the structure, script, character, and blocking of the show. Sure there are some effects that are meant to be small head scratchers (like a psychological Subtlety) while others are full blown routines (like Q and A). A professional performer searchers through effects, methods, and presentations, to create an overall show that is cohesive and entertaining. I might not use an effect not because it isn't strong or good, but because it doesn't fit the structure of my show or character. I recently watched a "mentalist" perform one killer effect after another. However, his show was lackluster. It was clear that he chose the effects based on what he thought would be strong instead of what makes sense with his character and premise . . . both of which were lacking. I see time and time again performers searching and reinventing methods for tricks . . . instead of creating theater around already proven solid effects. If there were a Holy Grail . . . it would live in the presentation of the effect and not the effect itself.
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OTTOEMEZZO Special user 544 Posts |
Christian & Katalina,
I certainly see your point and I happen to agree with you that in a SHOW, the structure is very important and one cannot simply arrange the "strongest" effects back to back. What I'm asking is if you came up with a single effect that seemed completely impossible (let's say that such an effect,) would you sell it, or keep it to yourself?
"The Swan Song" is my last release to the mentalism community. Only a few copies remain!
"Unholy Grail" is now available! Features Perfected Day for Any Date, Ultimate PK Touches, Triple Drawing Duplication, and The Presence (my ghost effect)! Everything is 100% prop-less! "Tres" LIMITED EDITION e-Book contains my signature "No Touches" PK Touches! Now SOLD OUT! "Reverie" is for sale! Features extremely strong, 100% prop-less mentalism effects! "Secret Files" is NOW AVAILABLE directly through me. Contains the EASIEST DAY FOR ANY DATE version!!! |
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
I'd sell it as an exclusive to one of the big performers.
Mike |
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Christian & Katalina Elite user 407 Posts |
Otto,
Fair enough . . . I understand your question and to play along I would keep the effect to myself. From a marketing standpoint when you are the only one doing something . . . it/you become very valuable. There is a lot of history behind this. Read what happened to Cardini.
Milbourne Christopher Award for Mentalism 2011
The Annemann Award for Menatalism 2016 Author of "Protoplasm" Close-up Mentalism |
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
I'd change my name to Uri Geller and rake in the cash selling nonsense to the gullible.
Magic Moon Pebble anyone?
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LLL Inner circle 1574 Posts |
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On 2011-10-11 09:18, OTTOEMEZZO wrote: I really don't understand why it would be selfish to Keep it to yourself?, we are in the business of secrets after all. If I had found it as you suggested, I wouldn't dream of selling it.. the richest performers are not always the most talented, and your dream effect could easilly be destroyed and turned into a cheap little trick performed by the most uncharasmatic of people. Selfish in my eyes is having a patent on a drug that cures illness that only the rich can afford.. yes I think that would be a better use of the word selfish. Andy
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Are you an artist or an inventor or both?
Either way, best way to make the $ is sell it with some rights if possible to Cri$$ Angel or similar level of high paying performer - let that name earn the dough - get either a nice big one time payment with a credit, or try to get royalties - I personally try to get the one time big payment... That is if you just want $$$ Otherwise, as an academic - publish the effect in the linking ring or genii or whatver, and get your name associated with it for all time so Max Maven and his kin will always be able to reference you into the future. Then there may be a middle ground. Lastly, if you like to perform and want this to help make you an individual artist - tell no one except a trusted mentor/colleagues with their oath never to use it as its yours... but they can help you develop it... and use it to make your name... THEN sell it yourself when you are tired of it and make some new stuff. Or just tell me
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ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
I'd probably put it in Switchcraft.
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soybntree New user 55 Posts |
Keeep it never tell anyone leave the secret hidden somewhere then when I die someone will find it or it will be lost for ever :/ maybe just tell a select few who I can trust
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magicman29 Inner circle hertfordshire 1245 Posts |
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On 2011-10-11 11:12, looch wrote: Please release it looch, if not to the magic community then just to me! Kieran |
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