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Rocketeer Special user Westchester, NY 965 Posts |
So one of Richard's bonuses for purchasing Live...Without a Net directly from him is his version of Alpha-Mental. I'm sure it must be a legendary effect but I'm not familiar with it.
Can someone please describe what the audience sees during Alpha-Mental? Thanks, Rocky
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TonyBrand Special user Chicago, IL 507 Posts |
Hi Rocky,
I am not sure how accurate this is, but it may shed some light: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ri......a-mental Hope this helps. Thanks, Tony |
JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4190 Posts |
It is very accurate, although historical. As German we know quite well about it. Jan
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Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
That description is very accurate, aside from the quote from Osterlind that stated he's only been using it a short time. At the time the product was being released through Jeff Busby, that was true, however that was a long time ago and Osterlind has been using this for quite some time now. He's mentioned that he always has it in his case.
The original Alpha Mental was in German. If you're wondering what the effect looks like, it's in the demo video for the new DVDs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka6FjcUTFY8. Richard has combined Alpha Mental with Clipline, so Alpha Mental is the first part of that routine. |
Rocketeer Special user Westchester, NY 965 Posts |
From looking at the clip it looks to me like he goes right into Clipline. What am I missing?
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TonyBrand Special user Chicago, IL 507 Posts |
It seems to me as if Alpha-Mental adds to Clipline by having the audience member think of a single word from four lines of text. If I not mistaken, in the original version of Clipline, only the "top" line is revealed.
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Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
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On 2011-10-18 14:58, Rocketeer wrote: You missed the part where she is concentrating on one word in the article and he tells her what it is. That's not Clipline. Clipline is after that. What you're getting here is two effects - the first being mind reading and the second being a prediction. Clipline by itself is a prediction. |
Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts |
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On 2011-10-14 21:38, JanForster wrote: Because of Borodin metionnng it??
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Rocketeer Special user Westchester, NY 965 Posts |
Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. It's been ages since I've viewed my Osterlind DVDs. I remember viewing the Clipline effect on one of his first DVD sets.
So I'm tempted to take him up on his offer. I know at the time of my most recent order I was warned that it could be delayed by his traveling schedule but after three and a half weeks I'm getting a little antsy. I need an Osterlind fix already.
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Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
This effect raised an issue that I know many people will respond to by saying audiences don't think that way but it still troubles me. If you show a prediction at the end of what you were minutes before revealing via telepathy, doesn't that discount the telepathy? After all, you knew the word/sentence ahead of time.
It is a bit different in this instance as the prediction isn't of the word that was revealed but, rather, the section from which it was chosen. So you can still claim having read a mind but since it narrows the territory I think it risks being less impressive. The audience reaction to the prediction was strong so I may be off base as this is what counts and I'm pretty sure this is how Richard would respond to my discussing this. I do wonder about later, though, if some audience members will put this together. |
edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Bob, my thoughts exactly.
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Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
I don't know if it risks being less impressive. This was Richard's closing effect in that show.
You're probably correct in what Richard's reaction to your comment would be. Just listen to the audience reaction on that clip. Look at the volunteer on stage and her reaction. Genuine reactions. I think this is one of the reasons Richard did these DVDs, so people would stop using the "L&L audiences overreact at everything" excuse. Real audience, real reactions. This effect has been in Richard's repertoire for a long time and I don't think he would be using it if it didn't get a consistently great response. At the end of the day, no one is forcing anyone to do it. If you think there is a discrepancy in the plot, then don't perform it. |
mindhunter Inner circle Upstate NY 2280 Posts |
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On 2011-10-19 12:02, Bill Cushman wrote: Bill: I agree with your analysis about the two "skills" being displayed and perhaps spectators reconstructing but perhaps we mentalists delve a little too much into drawing clear lines as to HOW we accomplish the really cool things that we do. I haven't found spectators care that much. I love Richard's philosophy of not delving that deep into that, and having an aura of "these things just happen around me; even I can't explain why!" As you said, this part of the effect reveals what SECTION it came from, so you get those two effects, each showing a different phenomenon. The prediction at the end perhaps can be what you want it to be (perhaps clairvoyance?) and the telepathy of the word is just that. Also, this is nice BONUS effect that you get by purchasing directly from Richard himself. And just look at those reactions....THAT is what we are there to do. Bryn
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
I think I would reverse the reveals. 1st predicting the first line then asking her to read 3 more lines and reveal the word she is thinking of.
I feel that the word reveal is the stronger of the two effects. Nice routine.
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AlexanderG Veteran user No more and no less than 367 Posts |
I can find few reviews of this effect. Do audiences generally react well? Anything to watch out for? Have you encountered any interesting presentations? (I have seen Mr. Osterlind's presentation.) Thank you.
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
I've used this effect in nearly every show. It's simple to perform...and very direct. I don't do the word reveal because I find that, for me, it slows down the presentation...plus it's very close to the way I reveal the word on MOABT.
I don't think it's the highlight of my performance -- but it's very strong and after performing it all these years, I have never had an audience member discuss "method" with me. If it's presented inside of a show with a solid mentalism theme, they aren't thinking "trick" anyway. Alpha Mental is simply one of a number of really strong things you perform. I like Alpha Mental very much. David
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AlexanderG Veteran user No more and no less than 367 Posts |
Thanks, David. Have you found ways to heighten the dramatic effect? Is there something artificial about whipping out a strip a newspaper? Paper, pens, books, cards, coins - these are all things we naturally encounter. But a long strip newspaper print?
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Darby Loyal user Los Angeles 248 Posts |
I've also had great fun with this effect. Just one word of caution, make sure you pick someone that isn't so inebriated at the party that they can't remember how to spell their selected word. If they can't, it still ends up as entertainment for the audience, but at the expense of the participant; and it's certainly not a display of mindreading while arguing how to spell the word.
The newspaper does add some unique interest, because of the byplay and the actions. It's actually more visually interesting then "paper, pens, books, cards". My concern is that not many people actually get and read a paper anymore. But I haven't heard anyone make any comment on that. |
Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1573 Posts |
I understand Bill's argument and normally I would agree. But after having performed this on countless occasions the prediction at the end of the telepathy demonstration gets a huge response from the audience, and makes the effect come full circle. Alpha-Mental Plus is the very definition of a packs small - plays big effect. It's definitely one of my favorites from Richard.
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