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*double-A-magic* Loyal user Cheshire, England, UK 255 Posts |
Hi all,
I am currently trying to improve on the poor amount of coin magic I can perform. As well as revisiting coin sleights of hand etc. I am looking to learn a couple of gimmicked coin tricks too. I recently saw Dynamo perform the below 2 tricks and I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction...? I fully appreciate the method can't be revealed, nor would I want to find out that way, but if these coins are available to buy etc. I would love to know where from. Here are the links; I've put up 2 performances of the second trick... http://youtu.be/_MUTmHut-Ow?t=11m48s http://youtu.be/YAu-hSUMGhg?t=13m26s OR http://bcove.me/nms5ouch (skip to 5m 10s) Many thanks , AA
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not, none will suffice."
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
AA,
If you are referring to the coin change on the spectators palm in the first clip, then check out some info on a gimmick called 'Raven'. The second effect is achieved via something called a 'Coin Unique' (in the UK). PM me if you need further details.
Barry Allen
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boydy Special user Ayrshire, Scotland 881 Posts |
Raven using an additional common coin gaff: http://www.magictricks.co.uk/products/1-......e-Raven/
http://www.magictricks.co.uk/products/2-......32-Coin/ Coin Unique:http://www.cards4magic.co.uk/acatalog/Fake_British_Coins.html |
John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
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On 2011-10-20 10:11, Merc Man wrote: That was a clever application. If you have the gaff, better than paying $30 for a "coin snatching" method.
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BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts |
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On 2011-10-20 10:11, Merc Man wrote: It's called Coin Unique in the US as well. (half and quarter) The Miracle Chip can also be used for this effect (along with a ton of others). Very impressive video. Regards, Alan |
*double-A-magic* Loyal user Cheshire, England, UK 255 Posts |
Thanks for all your advice. I researched both tricks and chose my favourite. So...
I am now the proud owner of an 'Eddie Gibson Coin Unique £1/1p version'. I'm amazed at the quality of the product, going to have to be careful not to spend it when out and about! I've been practicing the coin transposition in the spectator's hand as in the videos above. I'm not getting it right everytime (as in when the spectator opens their hand the gimmick hasn't worked properly and the routine would be unrecoverable - if you have knowledge of Coin Unique you'll understand) but I'm sure it's all about where you place the coins on their hand. Anyone had any experiences of using Coin Unique in this way or advice etc.? AA
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not, none will suffice."
<BR> <BR>- Joseph Dunninger - |
Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
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On 2011-10-24 15:29, *double-A-magic* wrote: i) Whilst their hand is palm upwards, do the 'necessary' with YOUR own fingers as you close THEIR fingers over the coin(s) with your thumb. Obviously, your fingers provide the cover necessary. As people's hands are different shapes and sizes, it's a safer option. ii) Once their fingers are closed, turn their hand over - there is then less likelihood of them opening their fingers prematurely. iii) Ensure that your hand is seen quite empty as it moves away. Keep your coin away from all other change AT ALL TIMES - keep it in a pocket that you don't use, or a separate coin purse, etc. until you prep your performance. If you don't, and especially as this is your first Coin Unique, there is every chance that you will spend it UNLESS you are really careful. It's been a very costly mistake that a lot of us on here have experienced over the years! Just a couple of tips - hope they help.
Barry Allen
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caubeck Elite user 412 Posts |
I've spent three over the years. As Eddie Gibson seems to be slowing down these days, and he doesn't accept credit cards and doesn't use email, I bought two from a store the moment I could (in euros). I still feel bad about losing the three I did, plus one I lost that was made by another manufacturer in a 2 euro coin (utterly perfect, but the company no longer exists). I often wonder whose pocket they're in now...
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
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On 2011-10-25 06:56, caubeck wrote: I don't know whether Eddie has ever accepted credit cards - but I do remember that about ten years ago, he wouldn't even accept a personal cheque from me at the Magic Circle Dealers Day. He also made some snide comment about not accepting anything other than cash - especially from Cockney blokes. At the end of the day it was his loss not mine; I saved about 50 quid. I was a good friend of a London based magic dealer in the early 80's and he got so well and truly frustrated with Eddie failing to fulfill orders, that he gave up supplying his coins in the end. Slowing down? I didn't even know that he was still trading if I'm honest. He should just be thankful that a certain (excellent) Argentinian coin manufacturer wasn't trading at the time - or he wouldn't have ate!
Barry Allen
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caubeck Elite user 412 Posts |
I know from friends at a magic store in Spain that it's getting harder to receive stock from him. His online store is so user unfriendly that I can't be bothered to go through the process of ordering items any more. Yet there's no doubt his engineering skills are excellent. With a proper website he could be making a lot of money, especially as he is willing to modify euro coins (something the top-rated gaffers don't usually do). As the website says he's been in business for 40 years I guess he's virtually retired now.
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*double-A-magic* Loyal user Cheshire, England, UK 255 Posts |
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On 2011-10-25 05:08, Merc Man wrote: Thanks for the advice Merc Man. Whilst I fully agree that the routine you described would virtually eliminate my fears of the magic "not happening", I can't help but feel the spectator will naturally assume I've just palmed one of the coins (penny in my case) out of their hands. This bothers me as what struck me as amazing when watching the above clips, and I'm sure what made the effect amazing for the spectators, is that they watch as THEY close THEIR OWN hand around BOTH coins only for one to disappear from their clenched fist. From your experience do you feel any of this effect is lost or do you find your method is just as magical? Any-hoo, I'll get practicing on my ever suffering Mrs and see if it works better for me. Thanks again, AA
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not, none will suffice."
<BR> <BR>- Joseph Dunninger - |
BanzaiMagic Inner circle 1339 Posts |
I agree with Merc. All it takes (after proper placement in Spec's palm) is a slight adjustment with the tips of your fingers. If you flash your empty hands immediately after it would be abundantly clear that you did not take (or palm) anything.
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
AA - I've never used a Coin Unique for the presentation that you refer to, but as echoed by BanzaiMagic above, if you show your hand clearly empty upon closing their's, it will be evident that you haven't palmed it away.
The problem with what you are trying to achieve is basically 2 fold: (i) spectators' hands are naturally different sizes so it is very difficult to find the exact spot at the base of their fingers where the coins will naturally nest. (ii) humidity will also be a factor - a sweaty palm for example, could make the coins stick and negate any nesting. What you are trying to achieve is unquestionably the best presentation BUT not at the risk of the effect not working (in my view). Just as a point of interest, what is your 'out' for when the effect doesn't work the way that you want it to?
Barry Allen
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caubeck Elite user 412 Posts |
I'm wondering if all Coin Uniques sets may be...unique. That is, I wouldn't try this routine with my euro set, but maybe with small UK coins - as in the video - it would work more reliably. Dynamo must have been sure it would work if he did it in front of a TV camera.
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*double-A-magic* Loyal user Cheshire, England, UK 255 Posts |
Merc Man - you make some good points. With regards what my 'out' would be, I don't think there could be one. As I said in an earlier post the routine would almost certainly be unrecoverable. I am a hobbyist and whilst I never want to fail in front of family/friends/colleagues/the odd stranger etc. I imagine the consequences of failing for a pro would be much worse. I suppose the answer is the method I'm talking about, whilst the most magical method, does not outweigh the increased risk of failing.
Caubeck - Dynamo performs it with a £2/2p version but that was the clip from his TV series so not as much of a risk doing it pre-taped. The 20p/1p clip above was on a very populAr sports programme in the UK called Soccer AM which would have millions of viewers and it's live! Maybe ur theory is why he chose smaller coins..?? AA
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not, none will suffice."
<BR> <BR>- Joseph Dunninger - |
caubeck Elite user 412 Posts |
Working down (in my mind) from dollar to 1p size, I would expect to get more reliable results from smaller coins. I wonder if the penny, being ferrom*****c, would be more reliable than my euro set (a 2p is also ferrom****c of course).
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