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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 14:24, JanForster wrote: Great Jan's think alike...
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
If there is no more 8 and 3 in the deck. I am fine with the marker
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On 2011-11-09 14:22, Jan Walla wrote: |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10795 Posts |
None of you mentioned the interesting aside which is that Shin called the esteemed Eugene Burger to discuss the methodology - and Dave said that Eugene confirmed that this is an entirely new technique.
That being said, this should be way cool. I pre-ordered this which I don't ordinarily do, but the WPR gave me a little sense of relief that this isn't just some knock-off of Grail or Numbers... All the talk about outs and hits...and pulling this apart to me is far less interesting than uncovering and learning Shin's new methodology when I get this which could be applicable I anticipate to other effects or ideas.
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 14:31, zhoudumu wrote: I add 6 & 9 to that as well so now we already have 16 possibilities.
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
I have no problem with that. But I still think it is not enough to cover.
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On 2011-11-09 14:35, Jan Walla wrote: |
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doriancaudal Inner circle 1532 Posts |
I am a bit concerned about the way Dave holds the prediction card in the review... It is weird, just as if he is hiding something. But after he says it can be a banner, or something, so it shouldn't be a issue.
Moreover, you were mentioning about the 3's and 8's, but in the demo video of "Think", the first revelation is a 2H.
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 14:36, zhoudumu wrote: Me neither but it helps a lot if you already have 16 possibilities doesn't it? As for the method beeing new needs to be seen even if the 'God of Magic' says so.
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
I really do not want to expose the method too much. What I just said is that if it is all about the prediction card, I am not worried too much, as long as it can be showed clearly.
The only concern for me is if there will be some big difference in counting the card. Quote:
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 14:33, saysold1 wrote: For my part I like to find out if that advertisement for this effect plays exactly the way as shown in the video. If Dave was not lying with that there are absolutely no multiple outs then this would be truly amazing. Although he said very quickly in the beginning that only 30,40,50% it is super clean. What about the other 70-50%? I am not bashing the effect I am just tired of people trying to sell an effect that later you find out that you actually have to do a turnover pass in order to get to the card (pun intended) I think there is something missing and I don't think it's fair to sell it 'the perfect' 30,40, 50% way instead of the 100% way. I was very disappointed with Eureka. I don't want to know how much they paid Kaufman and Steinmeier to endorse it that highly.
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
Unfortunately there is no "real magic", so what you list above is acceptable for me. What I do not like is something like you said pass.
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On 2011-11-09 14:47, Jan Walla wrote: |
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 14:52, zhoudumu wrote: I was obviously joking with the 'pass'.
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zhoudumu Regular user philadelphia 172 Posts |
Pass means any sleights to manipulate the card
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On 2011-11-09 14:55, Jan Walla wrote: |
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MichaelB Regular user 153 Posts |
Jan, again, I think you're right on it with your "turnover pass" comment. Seems to me the 2 rather obvious/reasonable explanations for this effect involve 1)business with cards when removing deck from case or 2)turnover pass whilst fanning or removing extra cards from deck.
And if some creator has come up with particularly creative ways to hide these rather obvious methods I have no problem paying a reasonable or more than reasonable price for their creativity. But would be nice to see a representative video. In the case of "Grail", your suggestion of consecutive repetions of effect with different numbers in same sitting would address these concerns but probably not practical. But showing ideal "hits" as demonstation seems like it isn't much of a complete representation of effect. Oh well..... ?? Starting to sound like "think" is something other than one of these 2 methodologies. In the case of "grail" though (??) .. I don't know. Something feels a little incomplete about these video demos but it's also certainly possible (as I bet you would acknowledge as well jan), that with both "think" and "grail" there are methods at work that go far beyond these 2 rather obvious explanations. |
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 14:57, zhoudumu wrote: That's exactly what I meant but rather as a joke in context of what I said. Read it again.
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billappleton Inner circle Los Gatos, California 1154 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 14:11, JanForster wrote: In the YouTube video the prediction is clearly 8 Spades, she even has it upside down and turns it over, no mistaking with a three. Discarding the first jokers gets you a fudge factor of 2. Counting to the card before or after the prediction gets you a fudge factor of 3. Counting from either side of the deck doubles the fudge factor, call it 12 numbers covered total. Wizard review says 5 to 45, so we must cover 40 cases. I don't see how to get there. A big issue is how to Think of the right way to do the counting given a number. There needs to be a mental device, or I will forget everything... |
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rowland Inner circle 1524 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 14:17, MichaelB wrote: I have pm'ed you Rowland |
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Mehtas Inner circle England, UK 1649 Posts |
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I guess "Think" comes with Super Memory Course ??? That is an act in itself. |
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markjens Loyal user N. CA 213 Posts |
I wrote up this whole thing, wondering why it is that people have to milk any information they can gather for free rather than paying thirty bucks. But, it doesn't matter. Why not just spend the thirty bucks, buy 'Think' and find out what Eugene Burger called revolutionary?
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 14:11, JanForster wrote: Almost right, Jan! Only three of them would work if you think about it...
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Jan Walla Loyal user Before you disappear I surround you with 255 Posts |
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On 2011-11-09 15:33, billappleton wrote: Not just 8s. 3, 9 and 6 is also a possibility.
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