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Hi all,

it's a pleasure to have the opportunity to speak and learn from you.

I'm new and inexperienced about hypnosis and I have some questions if you mind:


1:Are out there video of street hypnosis done without trance where the performer manage emotional and behavioral suggestions?

2:For people that do street hypnosis with no trance: Do you have found it's more difficult for the subject to accept this kind of suggestion because for his "believe system"
are less plausible with a no trance state? how do you manage and work around it?

I apoligize for my bad english and I hope my questions are clear.

I'd like you experienced people to share some thoughts and point of view with me.

Thx very much!
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Try looking at Hypnosis Without Trance by James Tripp
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Unfortunaly I haven't found any video of perfomances of post hypnotic emotional and behavioral suggestion...(only one about theory, and one about invisibility but I'm looking for making the subjcet laugh or stealing effects...that kind of stuff...)

Do you mean that perfomances are in some of his products?wich?

thx a lot! Smile
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http://www.hypnosiswithouttrance.com/201......smussen/

http://www.hypnosiswithouttrance.com/201......etaphor/

Are these what you are looking for? I know James uses his methods to make strong emotions, but I am not sure if there are demos.
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...unfortunaly no...

the first video it's not a routine about "stealing" someone with hypnosis without trance...but it's about "stealing hypnosis" with a trance state style from someone that experienced no trance hypnosis...

the second video it's about "changework"...
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HL, you seem to be dancing without any music. Instead of your generalizations, how about this:
what, specifically, are you looking to accomplish?
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Hi dmkraig,

to learn and perform street hypnosis in the most effective and entertainement way.

Can you help me pls?
I have problems choosing between no-trance and trance style...no-trace seems easier to have volunteer but seems less theatrical e seems you can manage less suggestion and with less effectiveness....
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...I know my is an uneducated poit of view...that's why I'm here...Thx! Smile
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Kewl! You want to learn street hypnosis. Excellent.

BTW, I deeply appreciate people who admit they are uneducated or undereducated or even ignorant. That means they're ready to learn!

As you probably know, brain surgeons don't begin by cutting into heads. First, they learn general medicine and then they specialize.

Therefore, I would suggest that you first take an in-person training in hypnosis. Not a book, audio, video, or on-line class, but a real training. Learn the basics.

Then, after you learn the basics, you can specialize. You'll have enough knowledge to better know what you want to do. There are several good videos that will help you specialize as well as a few books by people such as Anthony Jacquin. Or you could combine the two by taking a basic training with Anthony. Disclaimer: I've never met him nor have I taken his in-person training.

I have no doubt that there will be some people here who will disagree with me and say you can "learn it all" from someone's book or DVD. I have one response to that: how many copies have they sold and how many people are now using that information to do street hypnosis? If it's 5% that's a lot. This means if you try to learn by only doing a book or DVD your chances of success are 1 in 20. That's not very good. To move that up to maybe one in five, take an in-person training. I'm not trying to give you difficult hurdles to jump, I'm trying to help you harness your desire and give you the greatest chance at success.

Keep at it and good luck!
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If entertainment is your goal, then why make a distinction between what you call "in trance/no trance?"
There's lots which can be achieved with either.
Keep searching, keep learning.
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Dmkraig...probably I'll take an in-person training in hypnosis...but before that I have to try for myself...

quicknotist...I make a distinction because it's a big real distinction...and there are more people willing to volunteer if you don't put the to sleep..but on the other side that presentation seems less powerful and less pratical..

Back to the topic: Are out there video of street hypnosis done without trance where the performer manage emotional and behavioral suggestions (making people laugh or suggest that they are wearing something mine and that are going to give it back to me....)?
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On what are you basing this difference in the number of volunteers?
If it's just what you think might be the case, you might be surprised.

I haven't seen any clips like those you describe, no.
Maybe that will tell you something?

Hypno Loop, please tell us a little about your experience and training/reading.
It might really help us to help you if we knew a little more about where you're coming from.
You say you don't know anything but at the same time are so sure there is a big real distinction between what you call trance and no-trance.
So you must have learned about that somewhere, otherwise you're just guessing.

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On 2011-11-09 05:04, Hypno Loop wrote:
quicknotist...I make a distinction because it's a big real distinction...and there are more people willing to volunteer if you don't put the to sleep..but on the other side that presentation seems less powerful and less pratical..

Back to the topic: Are out there video of street hypnosis done without trance where the performer manage emotional and behavioral suggestions (making people laugh or suggest that they are wearing something mine and that are going to give it back to me....)?
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"You say you don't know anything but at the same time are so sure there is a big real distinction between what you call trance and no-trance."

I'm not talking about theory only from a pratical poit of view...the big difference start from the presentation through the suggestion test (Even magnetic fingers and magnetic hands I can script and gesture in different way if I had to choose a no trance style...) and finally to how you manage or not induction, deepening, posthypnotic suggestion...pretty much everything...

I'm a noob...that's why I ask...experienced only magnetic finger and magnetic hands...It worked but it's supposed to be easy stuff...

"I haven't seen any clips like those you describe, no.
Maybe that will tell you something? "

Are you saying that you too have the impression that for practical reasons it's better to make inductions and deepening?
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"On what are you basing this difference in the number of volunteers?
If it's just what you think might be the case, you might be surprised."

Well for me this is very important...
I have the feeling (but I hope I'm wrong) that people are less willing to be put "to sleep" but more willing to experience what they can do with their subconscous without the treat of loosing control in front of other people...

My first subject was perfect...I did suggestibility test with great success...she belives in hypnosis and is affascinated...but...she has some fears...of course I can't make a statistic with one case but I have the feeling that this is a general problem...i know that removing fears is the parte of the set up but if someone has some unconscius fear good luck to remove them... Smile

What do you think?
What do you have found?
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On 2011-11-09 05:04, Hypno Loop wrote:
Dmkraig...probably I'll take an in-person training in hypnosis...but before that I have to try for myself...


I just do not get this type of thinking. Going back to the brain surgeon example, as in most professionals or endeavors, this is ridiculous thinking.

I think you're basing much of this on your thoughts which are not based on facts but your inexperienced thoughts or opinions. It you take the raining first dmkraig suggested I would bet your initial thoughts and opinions would be much different than the are now. I belie or incorrectve what you're thinking and your perception may be wrong.

I also think AFTER you take dmkraig's training, you might want to consider taking a stage hypnosis training (or at least see some in person live performances) to better understand the "performance" aspect of hypnosis. At least then your thoughts and the foundation you are trying to create would be based on facts and experience, rather than inexperienced thoughts and opinions.
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Just as a point of reference, although I am certified as a trainer of hypnosis, I do not offer training to people through this forum. I do not use it as a way to get customers. I would encourage people seeking training to get an in-person training locally. For those seeking just entertainment hypnosis training, I believe there are some good trainers located in London and Las Vegas. It is up to each individual to perform due diligence in finding appropriate training and quality trainers.

On the West Coast of the U.S. there are people giving "weekend wonder" courses in hypnotherapy (with a little hint at stage work) for $97. Personally, I think that taking such a weekend wonder course with quality trainers followed by individual study via books, CDs, DVDs, MP3s, on-line classes, etc., can give a person the knowledge necessary to give a good show. Mix that with some courage and Anthony's concept of being THE HYPNOTIST and you can gain experience. Alternatively, a far more expensive in-person training in stage hypnosis may suffice.

I would add that although many newcomers are interested in "the best" or "the fastest" or "the greatest number" of inductions, the truth is that there are only a few basic types of inductions (with lots of variations) and they're all easy and quick to learn. The important part—for stage, impromptu and even therapeutic work—is what to do AFTER the induction. Other things performers often need to learn include:
stage presence
rapport (with groups and individuals)
stage blocking
safety
dealing with abreactions
public speaking
marketing
publicity
accounting
etc.
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First thank for your time and consideration... Smile

I'm from Rome (Italy) and I have read in Anthony signature that at March he will be here to teach...

"I just do not get this type of thinking. Going back to the brain surgeon example, as in most professionals or endeavors, this is ridiculous thinking."
I work as a product specialist in the healthcare business...I'm often in operating rooms...perhaps the examples between street hypnosis for entertainement purposes and a brain surgery it's too strong...


If you also have tips about the topic of this post such as video or experience or points of view on the metodology and the difference in managing emotional and behavioral suggestions in no trance street hypnosis I really will apreciate that.

Or if you have tips to overcame the fear of a subjcet to go deep in trace loosing control and letting what's big and deep in the subconscious emerge I will happy to know (the problem it's not the faith in the hypnotist in this case..).

Can we only use a short sentence and invite to be hypnotized again?
Or we should use a short sentence and take control (not asking again) and lead into the process even if the subject has some fears?

Other strategy?
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"Losing Control", "short sentence", "strategy" is quite confusing. Do you understand hypnosis or are you looking for shortcuts?
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Quote:
On 2011-11-09 06:23, Hypno Loop wrote:

I have the feeling that this is a general problem...

Are you saying that you too have the impression that for practical reasons it's better to make inductions and deepening?


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On 2011-11-09 06:30, Hypno Loop wrote:
What do you think?
What do you have found?


It's not a "general problem." That's one of many assumptions you've made.
Watch my street hypnosis videos on Youtube, I have no shortage of volunteers accepting the suggestion to "sleep."

I think (and have found) it depends on the person you're hypnotizing.
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I have also found:
1. It's currently very fashionable to speak about 'sleep suggestions'/inductions/deepeners as if they are a hindrance.
2. In a recent Jonathan Chase project he asked several members of the public to mimic being hypnotised. They all "slept."
(If entertaining those members of the public is your goal, you should pay some attention to that.)
3. What is produced in the training room can not necessarily be duplicated in the real world.
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