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Dbzkid999
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When I'm doing a trick, and doing false cuts (e.g. to keep the Aces at the top or bottom), even though if I did the FCS really fast, they'll just notice and say "The cards are still on the top!" or something.

Do you know any FCS that when you do to people that they wouldn't or should I say NOT notice?

Thank you
Emily Belleranti
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There are many different methods of false cuts that achieve different purposes. Some of them are better than others, but I don't think your problem is with the method you are using.

You need to work the movements of a false cut into your hands so there is no unnecessary hesitation when you perform it. Do not say conspicuously, "I will now cut the deck" or something like that. Just perform it naturally and it will not seem like a big deal to your audience.

You said that you perform false cuts really fast. This may be your problem. Just perform it at a relaxed and normal pace. Not too slow, and not too fast.

Roberto Giobbi covers many good false cuts and some of the psychology dealing with these moves in Card College 1. You may want to check this out.

I hope I helped!

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Craig Krisulevicz
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Every false cut and/or shuffle is designed to NOT be seen. It sounds like you are going out and showing things with a major lack of practice.
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Dbzkid999
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When I'm FC, I'm not hesitating. Actually, when I go fast, the audience says "Wow!” and say "They're still on top" or something.

Well I can't get CC until November cause that's when my first report card is.

Unless if you guys have an idea on what I can say to make them buy CC for me.
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Why are you trying to do a false cut "really fast"? Is that how you cut normally? If it isn't, you're advertising that you're doing something. The spectators may not know what you did, but they know you did something.

Just do the false cut at a normal speed, while you're talking about something else, anything else. You don't want to draw attention to the cut. It's just something you're doing while you talk about more important things.

And don't wing it. Figure out ahead of time what you're going to say, so that it makes sense to say that at that point of the routine. Saying something that sticks out as unusual while you do the false cut is the same as saying "I'm doing something secret now!" Your goal is to make the cut invisible by being innocuous, not by being faster than they can see. You want them to see it and not care.
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Adam, here are some of the topics you've posted recently:
    1) When someone, all of a sudden grabs the deck from you then reveals your secret! (Pick a card...any card)
    2) People saw the wax when I was doing the Card On Ceiling (Pick a card...any card)
    3) When Other People See Your Double Lifting (Pick a card...any card)
    4) flashing your backpalm
I suggest that you are trying to do too much, too fast, too soon. Pick one or two tricks you really like. Promise yourself that you will not perform them until you have practiced each one every day for, say, one or two decades. Smile Then, come back and tell us if people notice your false cuts, your IT, your TT, your wax, your DL...

Now, to address this specific issue: first, you mentioned doing the cut "really fast". There is absolutely no reason to do a false cut "really fast." It should be done like any other cut--smoothly and at a normal speed. Second, you ask about a good false cut. The "up the ladder" false cut looks great and does not need speed. I think it's shown on one of the Gary Ouellet DVDs, among other places.

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Because people said, "The cards are still on the top," it doesn't mean that they had seen something. Spectators used to say things like that. If you are sure you've done anything the right way, they just said it because they had to say something. People hate to watch something that they are not able to understand how it is possible to do; and that's magic.

Some years ago after I've controlled a selected card on the top of the deck, I was ready to turn it over and show it, when the spectator in front of me, said, "Oh, ok, I know, my card is first from top now, right?" I felt I was going to lose a so nice performance because she just wanted to say that she knew everything and nothing could fool her. I was thinking in a matter of seconds. I made a double lift, saying, "Nope, this is not your card, lady," showing the second card from the top. After that, everything else was a piece of cake. I palmed the selection and produced it from her coat pocket. She was fooled badly. I saw it in her eyes.

So, don't worry. The most possible is they've noticed not a thing. They said it just to say something. I bet on it.
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I only was caught when I learned my first F cuts and kept doing them over and over for the same people and saying, “Did you notice anything weird?” Eventually they did. Misdirect them from the cards and do flourishes more often, because false cuts kind of look like flourishes, so people will be more used to see fancy card work on your hands and pay less attention when you cut. But most importantly, misdirect them. Smile
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Just keep practicing your false cuts everyday, then it will look really smooth and people wont notice them anymore.


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Try and master the moves and trick you are trying to do before showing anyone. I learned my lesson a while ago not perfecting before showing. I was a laughing stock, then I just practiced way much more and now I blow people away. My favorite FC is the false triple turnover cut. Lately I have been working on 'full' cuts (meaning I do a full cut to the same position it was in) with Charliers and knuckle cuts. No breaks are held, they just happen every time. I guess I'm so used to cutting it the same way, that I can just retain the top stock with no problem at all.
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Adam, John Clarkson has some very good advice. I know getting started in magic can be very exciting where there is so much that you want to learn but just take it slow at first.

Learn a couple of tricks to perfection before you show anyone else and when you take the time to really nail them then it will be so much more rewarding.

Good luck.
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I love flourishy false cuts! I like them smooth, fast, slow, all kinds. I am very interested to see De'vo's Cradle to Grave routine that is being released soon. It has a complete false cut routine starting and ending in the box. It's supposed to change the way you think about false cuts, and the way to present them. But like everyone has already mentioned, practice, practice, practice, until all is smooth, and at any speed you wish.
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The key to any sleight (and most magic) is to keep it NATURAL!!! If you do something weird or too fast or even too slow they are apt to know something. Just try to keep it all at a natural speed and movement.
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This is going to sound harsher that I mean it, but...

Considering the topics of your posts, which all seem to be along the same theme (i.e. they see you killing the effect), I think now may be a good time to re-evaluate what you know vs. what you show.

With all due respect, it sounds to me like you need some serious private practice time. And I don't mean a few extra hours; I'm talking months, here.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I was curious, how long have you been seriously practicing magic?

The advice you have been given by the others is good stuff and should be taken and ran with. I understand your desire to learn the art and if you love it, then do it right.

Practice, practice, practice; all alone, in front of a mirror, for a long, long time. THEN try it out on people.

I wish you all the luck in the world, my friend. But stick to it, hard, and have confidence! We believe in you!

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Dbzkid999
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I was practicing magic since May.
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Practicing for a couple of months is not going to make you an expert card handler. Too me, magic seems like a life long art. Like people said before, start slow and take one thing at a time. Pick a few tricks that involve different sleights and practice the **** out of them until you can almost fool yourself. I think it would be better to be able to perform 3 tricks flawlessly then know how to DO 20 tricks. Just my two cents.

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I'm brand new to magic and show most of my tricks only to my wife. I don't tell her how it's done and she doesn't want to know how it’s done. But she is a good objective observer that can tell me when things don't look right.

Good luck!
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I agree with Gambit242, my better half is the one who give me factual advice when my trick still need to practice.

By the way, Café member DBZxxx, I assumed that your nickname is based on Japanese Magma Dragon Ball Z. I would like to know your age 'cause practicing magic for months really is the only beginning of this performing art. If you are think about doing those Blaine type of card magic simply by watching a few videos then I suggest you to reconsider your hobby. There is no short cut.

I have practice card magic for 2 years, and still, I flash a lot when I practice at home.
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Eric Grossman
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Adam,

Here is some sound advice. Please read this and obey. I beg you. Join your local magic club. Let me repeat this for clarity. JOIN YOUR LOCAL MAGIC CLUB!!!

You will be able to perform the little that you have learned so far for other magicians. Some of them will hopefully be more experienced than you, and will be able to work with you and critique, teach, mentor, etc., ... you.

I see that you are enjoying your young foray into this very difficult, and lifelong journey we call magic. That is great. I hope you flourish. (Pardon the pun.) If you study for a long time, with diligence and discipline, you will be rewarded, but not until then. You need to crawl before you run, and I would suggest focusing on one or two simple but strong effects at first. Practice them, and bring them to YOUR LOCAL MAGIC CLUB. Learn them inside and out before taking them out to the real world. Best of luck to you, and keep us updated on your progress.

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Brad Burt
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There's a lot of very good commentary here, excellent in fact. A common mistake with performing false cuts is to do JUST a false cut. I highly, HIGHLY recommend that any false cut be the last in a series of convincer moves thus: After the card has been brought back to the top perform a couple of Slip Shuffles. This is simply undetectable and even a tyro need not look at his or her hands in the execution of same. After the shuffles toss in ONE false cut. I do the Hindu False cut thus: The R.H. undercuts half the deck in Hindu style and taps the forward end twice on the top of the L.H. stock and places it on the table. The R.H. then comes back to the L.H. stock takes it and places it on top of the tabled stock. This is virtually undetectable even if someone is staring at the cards. I have used it for over 30 years and can attest to the power of the deception.

Try and always work your blind shuffles and cuts into a simple and direct series that looks as natural and normal as possible. Although I love flourishes I will almost never add them to a blind convincer routine as in fact I DON'T WANT TO pull in any but the most relaxed notice of the spectators. I want to subliminally push the idea to them that the deck is in fact fairly and truly mixed. Best,
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