The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Not very magical, still... » » What we always thought is confirmed (0 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page 1~2 [Next]
Slide
View Profile
Special user
533 Posts

Profile of Slide
I know this is stating the obvious, but now it has been officially confirmed by a study conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University: those that watch Fox News know less than people who don't watch any news at all. Big surprise there.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21......ef=media
NicholasD
View Profile
Inner circle
1458 Posts

Profile of NicholasD
"Officially confirmed"? Huffington Post reporting on a poll by Fairly Rediculous University? Give me a break!
Dannydoyle
View Profile
Eternal Order
19761 Posts

Profile of Dannydoyle
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 10:27, BillMcCloskey wrote:
I know this is stating the obvious, but now it has been officially confirmed by a study conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University: those that watch Fox News know less than people who don't watch any news at all. Big surprise there.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21......ef=media


It is confirmed. When told something people who are arrogant already believe, no matter how crazy it is or the source that it comes from, they believe it and tout it as the truth.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus
<BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
Slide
View Profile
Special user
533 Posts

Profile of Slide
" When told something people who are arrogant already believe, no matter how crazy it is or the source that it comes from, they believe it and tout it as the truth." Yes, I think that is what the report confirmed, just what you say. You are talking about fox news viewers right?
LobowolfXXX
View Profile
Inner circle
La Famiglia
1171 Posts

Profile of LobowolfXXX
"...47% are able to identify the Occupy Wall Street Protestors as predominantly Democratic: 11% think they are Republicans. Viewers of the cable news on MSNBC are more likely to Think the Protestors are Republicans. Watching the left-leaning MSNBC news channel is associated with A 10-point increase in the likelihood of misidentifying the protestors."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
Magnus Eisengrim
View Profile
Inner circle
Sulla placed heads on
1064 Posts

Profile of Magnus Eisengrim
Here's the News Release.

Quote:
According to the latest results from Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind Poll,
some news sources make us less likely to know what’s going on in the world. In the
most recent study, the poll asked New Jerseyans about current events at home and
abroad, and from what sources – if any – they get their information. The conclusion:
Sunday morning news shows do the most to help people learn about current events,
while some outlets, especially Fox News, lead people to be even less informed than
those who they don’t watch any news at all.
Among other topics, New Jerseyans were asked about the outcome of the uprisings in
North Africa and the Middle East this past year. While 53% of New Jerseyans know that
Egyptians were successful in overthrowing the government of Hosni Mubarak, 21% say
that the uprisings were unsuccessful, and 26% admit they don’t know. Also, 48% know
that the Syrian uprising has thus far been unsuccessful, while 36% say they don’t know,
and 16% say the Syrians have already toppled their government.
But the real finding is that the results depend on what media sources people turn to for
their news. For example, people who watch Fox News, the most popular of the 24-hour
cable news networks, are 18-points less likely to know that Egyptians overthrew their
government than those who watch no news at all (after controlling for other news
sources, partisanship, education and other demographic factors). Fox News watchers
are also 6-points less likely to know that Syrians have not yet overthrown their
government than those who watch no news.
"Because of the controls for partisanship, we know these results are not just driven by
Republicans or other groups being more likely to watch Fox News," said Dan Cassino, a
professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson and an analyst for the PublicMind
Poll. "Rather, the results show us that there is something about watching Fox News that
leads people to do worse on these questions than those who don’t watch any news at
all."
By contrast, some media sources have a positive effect on political knowledge. For
example, people who report reading a national newspaper like The New York Times or
USA Today are 12-points more likely to know that Egyptians have overthrown their
government than those who have not looked at any news source. And those who listen
to the non-profit NPR radio network are 11-points more likely to know the outcome of
the revolt against Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad. However, the best informed
respondents are those that watched Sunday morning news programs: leading to a 16-
point increase in the likelihood of knowing what happened in Egypt and an 8-point
increase in the likelihood of knowing what happened in Syria.
"Sunday morning news shows tend to spend a lot more time on a single issue than other
news broadcasts, and they are less likely to degenerate into people shouting at each
other," said Cassino. "Viewers pick up more information from this sort of calm discussion
than from other formats. Unfortunately, these shows have a much smaller audience than
the shouters."


Apparently the University of Maryland published a similar result a year ago.

I know nothing about the methodology in either study, and so can't comment on the plausibility of the results.

John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
LobowolfXXX
View Profile
Inner circle
La Famiglia
1171 Posts

Profile of LobowolfXXX
Magnus managed to cut it off right before the part that correlates MSNBC with erroneous beliefs. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Concur re methodology.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
balducci
View Profile
Loyal user
Canada
230 Posts

Profile of balducci
The methodology is described at the end of the press release, on pages 3-8:

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
Magnus Eisengrim
View Profile
Inner circle
Sulla placed heads on
1064 Posts

Profile of Magnus Eisengrim
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 11:19, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Magnus managed to cut it off right before the part that correlates MSNBC with erroneous beliefs. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Concur re methodology.


Did I? I stopped at the end of the page, I thought.

Just checked and I did. Sorry about that. First time through I clicked on "more" and nothing came up. Didn't occur to me that it was a scroll bar (blush).

FWIW I've never seen MSNBC, as it isn't part of our basic cable package. I get most of my news from the CBC.

John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
Chessmann
View Profile
Inner circle
3983 Posts

Profile of Chessmann
How do Canadians spell their famous 1-word inquisitive, "Ay" (pronounced as most people pronounce the first letter of the alphabet)?

Just curious now - sorry to derail the topic slightly...
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
LobowolfXXX
View Profile
Inner circle
La Famiglia
1171 Posts

Profile of LobowolfXXX
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 12:08, Chessmann wrote:
How do Canadians spell their famous 1-word inquisitive, "Ay" (pronounced as most people pronounce the first letter of the alphabet)?

Just curious now - sorry to derail the topic slightly...


What are you talking about, eh?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
LobowolfXXX
View Profile
Inner circle
La Famiglia
1171 Posts

Profile of LobowolfXXX
Comparing the wording of the original to the Huffington Post story, it's certainly easy to see how people who rely on The Huffington Post could be misinformed.


Not sure I buy the parenthetical "after controlling for...partisanship..." though. Does a random telephone poll of barely 600 people really give you a significant sample of Fox viewers who are neither Republicans nor conservatives?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
balducci
View Profile
Loyal user
Canada
230 Posts

Profile of balducci
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 10:44, NicholasD wrote:

"Officially confirmed"? Huffington Post reporting on a poll by Fairly Rediculous University? Give me a break!

Cut and pasted and paraphrased from various sources: Fairleigh Dickinson is the largest private university in the State of New Jersey with over 12,000 students. It has over 1200 international students from over 85 countries ranking it 15th nationally among their Carnegie peer group. In 1965, Fairleigh Dickinson University acquired the Wroxton Abbey, now home to Wroxton College, from Trinity College, Oxford becoming the first American university to own and operate its own campus in England, and the first to own and operate a campus outside the United States. Fairleigh Dickinson consists of four academic colleges. Its Silberman College entrepreneurial studies program has been rated as one of the best in the United States. In 2006, The Rothman Institute of Entrepreneurship was ranked the 7th undergraduate entrepreneurial school in the nation by Entrepreneur Magazine and The Princeton Review.

So what's so "rediculous" [sic] about FDU? Or have you just got something against the private sector and entrepreneurs?
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
Magnus Eisengrim
View Profile
Inner circle
Sulla placed heads on
1064 Posts

Profile of Magnus Eisengrim
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 12:08, Chessmann wrote:
How do Canadians spell their famous 1-word inquisitive, "Ay" (pronounced as most people pronounce the first letter of the alphabet)?

Just curious now - sorry to derail the topic slightly...


Lobo got it right, eh?

Now take off!
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
landmark
View Profile
Inner circle
within a triangle
4734 Posts

Profile of landmark
Depends on what news is news, doesn't it?

For example, I'm guessing that neither Fox nor MSNBC reported on this happening yesterday:

Quote:
FBI Sanctioned for Lying About Existence of Surveillance Records
by Jennifer Lynch

An order from the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California has revealed the FBI lied to the court about the existence of records requested under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), taking the position that FOIA allows it to withhold information from the court whenever it thinks this is in the interest of national security. Using the strongest possible language, the court disagreed: “The Government cannot, under any circumstance, affirmatively mislead the Court.”


The satellite pictures of the weather are cool though.
LobowolfXXX
View Profile
Inner circle
La Famiglia
1171 Posts

Profile of LobowolfXXX
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 12:57, landmark wrote:
Depends on what news is news, doesn't it?

For example, I'm guessing that neither Fox nor MSNBC reported on this happening yesterday:

Quote:
FBI Sanctioned for Lying About Existence of Surveillance Records
by Jennifer Lynch

An order from the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California has revealed the FBI lied to the court about the existence of records requested under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), taking the position that FOIA allows it to withhold information from the court whenever it thinks this is in the interest of national security. Using the strongest possible language, the court disagreed: “The Government cannot, under any circumstance, affirmatively mislead the Court.”


The satellite pictures of the weather are cool though.


Phil Jones got a job at the FBI?!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
balducci
View Profile
Loyal user
Canada
230 Posts

Profile of balducci
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 12:57, landmark wrote:
Depends on what news is news, doesn't it?

For example, I'm guessing that neither Fox nor MSNBC reported on this happening yesterday:

Yesterday? Maybe not. And, if not, probably because the news was already nearly a week old.

But it was reported several days ago by various mainstream media outlets, at least on their websites (which is all I can really check):

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/1607143......-muslims

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge......14979703
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
rockwall
View Profile
Special user
762 Posts

Profile of rockwall
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 12:26, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 12:08, Chessmann wrote:
How do Canadians spell their famous 1-word inquisitive, "Ay" (pronounced as most people pronounce the first letter of the alphabet)?

Just curious now - sorry to derail the topic slightly...


Lobo got it right, eh?

Now take off!


OK, now you've got me wondering. Did Canadians like Strange Brew, eh?
Magnus Eisengrim
View Profile
Inner circle
Sulla placed heads on
1064 Posts

Profile of Magnus Eisengrim
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 14:43, rockwall wrote:
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 12:26, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote:
On 2011-11-22 12:08, Chessmann wrote:
How do Canadians spell their famous 1-word inquisitive, "Ay" (pronounced as most people pronounce the first letter of the alphabet)?

Just curious now - sorry to derail the topic slightly...


Lobo got it right, eh?

Now take off!


OK, now you've got me wondering. Did Canadians like Strange Brew, eh?


It's a bit like fighting in hockey. You don't admit to it, but you have to look and you kinda like it.

Kpjm
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
Josh Chaikin
View Profile
Inner circle
Kansas City
1430 Posts

Profile of Josh Chaikin
Don't blame me, I get my news from the BBC.
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Not very magical, still... » » What we always thought is confirmed (0 Likes)
 Go to page 1~2 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2019 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.2 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL