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Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
Can I see this demo online?
Jonathan Grant |
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Risto L. Regular user Finland 174 Posts |
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jecar Veteran user 358 Posts |
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On 2002-05-09 01:21, Bernard Sim wrote: I checked them again and the demos were different last night. Demo two is definitely different than demo one. Jerry .. |
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Bernard Sim Inner circle Singapore 1095 Posts |
Me too. Is that a coin used in demo 2?
Bernard Sim
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A l a i n B e ll o n Veteran user 302 Posts |
I do get 2 different demos. The only thing is the way they are performed sort of gives the secret away. I took a pen and tried and lo and behold it worked. I did order Penomenon a few days ago but still has not arrived.
As mentioned by Andy Leviss, there are some factors that can cause this effect not to work. Yet, I think it is a good idea and can be a good effect with the proper presentation. -Alain Bellon |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
Hi Andy,
I think if you had paid your $25 bucks like the rest of us did, you would be able to do the effect. I read the instructions and could do the effect right away. There are some very easy fine points if not followed exactly, will make you fail. Also if I came to this forum and said "Hey, the guy at Hank Lee's let me in on Andy Leviss' "Right write", but I think it's not very good." How would you feel? Pendemoneum is a weird trick, granted. The secret is so easy to explain. If you don't pay for it, you won't value it. I gave up $25 plus another $10 for postage. I won't be telling anybody the secret to this effect. Best, James [quote]On 2002-05-08 15:49, Andy Leviss wrote: Well....I saw it, sort of. One of the guys I know at Hank's explained the method, and attempted to demo it, but could not get it to work. I can't say I'm entirely fond of something this "iffy" being marketed as a separate commercial item; were it an item in a set of notes, I'd have no gripe with it at all, because even if it didn't work for me, I'd likely have gotten my money's worth out of the notes.
Still with the Chinese circus
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
Believe it or not, the method behind PENomenon is based on a fairly old idea involving a certain type of psychokinetic motor.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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A l a i n B e ll o n Veteran user 302 Posts |
A psychokinetic motor... interesting.
You surely don't mean a radiometer? A radiometer is like a windvane made with four square plaques with one side white and the other black. The system is enclosed in glass; resembling a light bulb. These "motors" work through the absorption and reflection of luminous radiation (light). Place them near a light source and they start spinning. Completely different from Penomenon, so I surely think this is not the motor you mention, but that's what I was reminded of. The other psychokinetic motors I know come from PSI/ESP books and are used to test or practice "real" PK. I have built several models but have yet to find a person that can make them move using PK. I do not know what the thought process was in the invention of Penomenon, therefore any comments as to what idea it was based on would probably be uncertain. -Alain Bellon |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
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On 2002-05-10 14:26, Alain Bellon wrote: This is the kind I was referring to. There's a way to make a psychokinetic motor that can be made to move the same way the PENomenon does.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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Andy Leviss Inner circle NYC 1179 Posts |
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I think if you had paid your $25 bucks like the rest of us did, you would be able to do the effect. I read the instructions and could I did say up front that I did not try it myself, and was only reporting what I had seen and been told. I said that so as to put what I was saying into perspective. That said, when a friend whose opinion I trust, and who happens to be paid to sell and demo an effect tries to demo it, cannot get it to work despite multiple tries following the instructions, I do take that for some value. If you went into a shop and the dealer shared the working of my effect with you (which they don't do often, I might add; he shared this with me because he's a friend and didn't want to steer me wrong) and from that description you decided not to buy it, that's your perogative. If you said so here, too, as long as you said that you hadn't tried it yourself, that'd be cool with me. I made it quite clear that I hadn't tried it myself, but had watched a friend (who, as I said, gets paid to sell these things) try to do it more than once and fail do it. If I had said anything else, I'd be wrong. I didn't. I said quite explictly that these were partially removed observations, and that some folks might love it. I will observe that, based on sheer physics, it's not likely to be 100% certain. There are most certainly factors that will contribute to something of this method working better or not for certain people in certain environments. I've heard from a number of folks who've bought it and love it. I've also heard from folks who've bought it (in addition to the abovementioned person who didn't buy it, but gets paid to demo) and couldn't get it to work. Because you're so certain that it's more failsafe than I am led to believe it is, I'll go out tomorrow and pick up a copy myself. And then I'll weigh in with a firsthand review.
Note: I have PMs turned off; if you want to reach me, please e-mail [email]Andy.MagicCafe@DucksEcho.com[/email]!
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I received Penomenon today.
I had previously worked out a method based on the dealer description. My idea worked in theory, but I couldn't get it to work right in practice. Much to my surprise, the actual method was what I had deduced. I followed the instructions very carefully, however. Several failures later I suddenly got the thing to work. Almost every time. Then I startled my significant other with it and knew that it was a worthwhile idea. The devil, as they say, was in the details. There are, though, as Andy noted, certain scientific factors that would occasionally prevent the effect from working. But experimentation with other objects and different get-readies should make this problem negligible. The principle is (when you know it) such an obvious one that I wondered why it hadn't been used before- and why it hadn't been discovered purely by accident. Now I know why- the required set up is simple but must be done precisely. This is a very useable idea, but I strongly suggest that buyers be prepared to do more than a little experimentation (and some research into the underlying principle) before they try to put this into a set performance. Many have said that the dealer description of the effect is absolutely true. I disagree, but I believe that the creator and ad writer tried to be as accurate as possible. I wish I could be more specific, but I have no intention of tipping the method and I sincerely request that purchasers preserve this secret as long as possible. Sooner or later some jerk is going to expose it on the newsgroups or Valentino will feel the urge to once again make us create "better magic through exposure." That will be a sad day. Best Regards- Bob Cassidy |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
I have found the best surface [so far]
is an unopened cassette tape turned on end. The pen just goes crazy. Honestly, I have not had this "not work" yet. Best wishes, James
Still with the Chinese circus
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gilbreath76 Loyal user 279 Posts |
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On 2002-05-10 21:48, Xiqual wrote: Here's the most important question to me.... Besides for needing a certain SURFACE....is any preparation needed before the performance, to the surrounding environment? Thus, making this not an IMPROMPTU trick? I don't care if I have to gimmick my fingers, legs, hands or whatever, but it will be a big turn-off, if I have to gimmick the table or the environment around the table because then this trick is not an ANYWHERE-ANYTIME type trick as the ads described. |
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A l a i n B e ll o n Veteran user 302 Posts |
Well there is nothing to gimmick really. This is truly impromptu but there are some conditions that can prevent it from working. I have not had trouble getting it to work (as Bob, I figured out the method by reading the descriptions and looking at the videos). For me it is working all the time. I am still waiting for mine to arrive to see what other tips and suggestions the author came up with.
What I do suggest to other people doing it is: DO NOT OVER DO IT! It is so easy to fall into the magician's trap (with all due respect to traditional magicians) and just go nuts with the pen moving wildly. It is much better of an effect if it is slowly paced, creating some tension, and the movement is one quarter rotation at most. That's it. In my opinion anything more than that would make it look like a trick of some sort. As others have mentioned before I am also surprised this mechanism has not been more widely used. I am investigating the possibilities. -Alain Bellon |
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Greg Arce Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Okay, I just got it. To those that think it's stupid... please, please don't get it. It stinks. It's the worst trick of the century! I beg you not to buy it. Don't ask about it. Don't even think about it!
Now for the rest of the real workers: It's great!!! I walked into Hollywood Magic and it was there. One of the guys there showed me a brief demo that didn't work that well, but I bought it anyway on his say so. I pulled it out right there and practiced about a dozen times. I then started getting movement and spinning. By the 20th time I had it going. Here's the great thing: as I was getting it to move Harry Anderson walked into the shop and the guys had me do it for him... it got him and he bought two! So please don't get it. It's no good. Let me keep this stupid trick to myself. Greg
One of my favorite quotes: "A critic is a legless man who teaches running."
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mindhunter Inner circle Upstate NY 2280 Posts |
get it to work (which is silly-easy) and it KILLS
Bryn D. Reynolds, Author of:
"The Safwan Papers" & "The LOGAR Scrolls" Mentalism ebooks - PM any interest. My artwork: https://darkmountainarts.com |
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Mr Amazing Special user 617 Posts |
Maybe I just don't get it. I just watched the magicsmith demos and this trick - or at least the effect - has been known for ages and can be achieved by totally impromptu means.
What are the benefits of using this gimmicked version? (Except for possibly a more interesting presentation - those who know the impromptu method will know what I mean). /Matias |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
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On 2002-05-11 16:49, Greg Arce wrote: Hmmm... why would anyone buy TWO?
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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jecar Veteran user 358 Posts |
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On 2002-05-13 13:40, Philemon wrote: My guess is that one is a gift for someone else. Jerry .. |
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cardguy Inner circle Queens, New York 1171 Posts |
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On 2002-05-13 08:36, matias wrote: Matias, Apparently, PENomenon is impromptu and uses no gimmicks. You don't recieve anything special when you get it, just the instructions and the secret. I just ordered it myself and expect it in a few days. I'll give my honest opinion of it when I get it.
Frank G. a.k.a. Cardguy
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