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Would you risk the foundations (safe haven, food and shelter) to reach for freedom?
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Yes... Smile

Currently doing it.

Going for my dreams.

We pass this way only once.

And no one knows how long the journey is.
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Yup.
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With out a doubt yes.
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Ben Franklin said some wise words about that. I agree with him.
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Can anyone ever truly be free?
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On 2011-11-30 19:40, Payne wrote:
Can anyone ever truly be free?


Nope.

Not if you want to pay the bills... Smile
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On 2011-11-30 19:40, Payne wrote:
Can anyone ever truly be free?


Obviously depends on your perception of freedom.

Do you mean free to worship and have a say about how you are going to live your life, or free to do as you desire with no repercussions? Both are what some may call freedom but are entirely different in concept.
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Am I missing something?

You people would rather have security than freedom?

You would rather be safe and be told what to do, instead of taking a risk to be able to live how you see fit?

That's crazy!

Surely I am reading this wrong.

Personally, I will take my chances if it means people staying the hell out of my business.
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On 2011-11-30 23:42, randirain wrote:
Am I missing something?

You people would rather have security than freedom?

You would rather be safe and be told what to do, instead of taking a risk to be able to live how you see fit?

That's crazy!

Surely I am reading this wrong.

Personally, I will take my chances if it means people staying the hell out of my business.


Seems that the subject and the query posed by the OP are not congruent. The subject states one thing, but the question the opposite. Seems everyone else is in favor of freedom over security.
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Yes, that confused me also. The question asked in the original post is exactly the opposite of the question asked in the thread title.

But the whole problem with the question is that security, stability and personal freedom aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, so the either/or proposition is a misleading dichotomy.

Good thoughts,

Bob
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On 2011-11-30 23:42, randirain wrote:
Am I missing something?

You people would rather have security than freedom?

You would rather be safe and be told what to do, instead of taking a risk to be able to live how you see fit?

That's crazy!

Surely I am reading this wrong.

Personally, I will take my chances if it means people staying the hell out of my business.


So do you obey traffic laws and pay your taxes? If you do you are already allowing your freedoms to be impinged.
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I know what everyone means, and great sentiments. Till ya have to fight for it though... ahh well.

Payne, hardly the point.

I believe this is what mastermindreader was speaking of.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

It is often attributed to Franklin (Sometimes even Thomas Jefferson.) but as I recall it is not certain. Not the point though, it fits.
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On 2011-11-30 19:40, Payne wrote:
Can anyone ever truly be free?


In this world? Only through Rock and Roll.
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On 2011-12-01 00:53, mastermindreader wrote:
Yes, that confused me also. The question asked in the original post is exactly the opposite of the question asked in the thread title.

But the whole problem with the question is that security, stability and personal freedom aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, so the either/or proposition is a misleading dichotomy.

Good thoughts,

Bob


Indeed, you Gentlemen are correct. I omitted a critical word:

Would you choose stability & security over personal freedom…OR would you risk the foundations (safe haven, food and shelter) to reach for freedom?
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
"The dog did nothing in the night-time."
"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.
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I think Payne makes a good point; neither security nor freedom is an absolute. They exist on a continuum.
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Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2011-12-01 07:47, stoneunhinged wrote:
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On 2011-11-30 19:40, Payne wrote:
Can anyone ever truly be free?


In this world? Only through Rock and Roll.


I'm more Hip Hop myself... Smile
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On 2011-11-30 18:53, mastermindreader wrote:
Ben Franklin said some wise words about that. I agree with him.

As did Kris Kristofferson. And Kris' words must be better because, to the best of my knowledge, Janis Joplin never sang Ben Franklin's.
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