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Have to go, but just wanted to say, I have been avoiding the Café of late a bit for varous reasons, but this post has made me relise, this is what it can be about? brainstorming effects, trying to do things like this post..its refreshing rarther than...some stuff lets say.
anyway talk laters
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One piece of business that I am thinking of adding to this, is the letter.

I imagine that the only "genuine" artical you show, is an unfinished love letter that was found on a soldiers person in the trenches.

rather than saying the soldiers name, you simply add the name to the bottom of the letter, finishing the soldiers business, and alowing his soul to join that of his beloved.
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Or... make up a fake telegram from the war office, informing the family of his death.
Again, you fill in the name, rather than reveal. you could then fill in one or two of the other details, and give it to a spectator to read out.heck, you could have all the details there if you want...
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Going back to the photos, the only thing that does have to be altered in some way, is the box they are contained in. I would sugest trying to source a small wooden drawer box, and use it as a filing system. Stick the crib sheet on the top of this, ( aged a tad) and presto... something logical. ( which will also hold the objects)

or maybe one of those nice card boxes that Five of hearts do that take a pack of cards. Smile
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All of these are excellent ideas. It's too bad the publisher wasn't thinking in this way. It would have saved a lot of time. I would add that darkening solution ages the brass to look the way it should. On a positive note, the shell casing that was included is of a type that was actually used in the Great War. A small point, but as a vet it was the first thing I checked. Also just sharpening the pencil with a pocket knife gives it a more realistic look.
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I don't own this effect. I've only watched the demo.

I have a question about the personal effects listed on the cards. I can understand why there may be a list of items found on the body of a soldier killed in action. If he went missing, however, why would there be a list of personal items? How would anyone know what an MIA soldier had in his pockets?

As I say, I don't own the effect and maybe if I did it would make more sense. It's just something I was left wondering after watching the demo. Thanks
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Like David I really wanted to like this effect, particularly as my friend George gets very good results with it (although he is far more experienced with mentalism than I).

For me personally the items is where this falls down, there are just too few items and the problem is that if you increase it to a realistic level the spectator could have difficulty locating the actual objects. My first idea was to use aged photo's instead of the cards and have the details written on the back in fountain pen, with MIA or KIA stamped on the back with a rubber stamp. I would also use this opportunity to improve the sevice numbers.

The items are still the problem though, I would need at least 50 items and then it could be a struggle for the spectator to find the items. I also considered just using 1 item for each person and adding it to the crib but the downside to this is that it would mean I would have to look at the crib right at the beginning of the effect when the heat was on. My solution to this was to give each item a catalog label with a serial number with the info I need hidden in the serial number.

As far as the personal items are concerned I also struggled with justifying how it was known what the MIA had in their pockets. My way round this was to reframe the items as what these guys had left behind with their kit rather than what they had on their person. The back of the photo would list several items but only the first item in the list would be used for the experiment in psychometry. I also considered creating a coding to be able to reveal the rest of the items on the list.

The number of items is still the problem, I would present this as a true demonstration of psychometry so the object would be handed to me and I would try and get impressions from it. Ideally I would get nothing from the first item and need to try another one or two before getting any hits and the sheer volume of items would just make this approach impractical.

All in all I feel it would take a lot of work to elevate the fallen from mental magic to mentalism and as Steve announced MIA a few days after I got my copy of the Fallen. As I am familiar with the quality of Steve's work through ESPy-onage I am far more likely to pick MIA up after Christmas than put in the work needed for the Fallen. From what I have seen so far MIA looks like the Fallen for mentalists or, if you prefer, Luna for people that find the luna theme too dark.

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On 2013-10-13 04:45, Mark_Chandaue wrote:

As far as the personal items are concerned I also struggled with justifying how it was known what the MIA had in their pockets. My way round this was to reframe the items as what these guys had left behind with their kit rather than what they had on their person.


Good idea. Thanks.
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It's lovely that M.I.A. is spoke about in the same breath as The Fallen and Luna. Thanks guys

I love both of these effects.
This thread began when The Fallen was released and you will see that I defended it strongly when I thought it was getting a rough ride from some people.
Jim and Tony were very gracious in allowing me to put out an effect with a similar theme to it.

Luna has to be seen as the benchmark by which all effects of this kind are measured. It is the Gold standard in its' genre.
Rick has set the bar very high for those that follow his lead

The Fallen, From Hell, Till Death and now MIA give performers a broad spectrum, to choose from and enable each of us to find an effect that suits us.
Soon Soft Focus will be added to the list, and I see no problem with trying them all at some point in a performers career.

The more of this type of effect the better IMHO

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