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Just as relevant today as it was then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wos-dDxpJlQ
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On 2011-12-11 11:01, Al Angello wrote:
Yes Thorndyke
I did over react and taste in music is a personal matter.


Geez Al, give peace (with Thorndyke) a chance, will ya?

;)

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No disrespect to Lennon, and I certainly hope I'm never shot, but if I am, I hope I ad lib something better than "You've shot me."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2011-12-11 12:48, LobowolfXXX wrote:
No disrespect to Lennon, and I certainly hope I'm never shot, but if I am, I hope I ad lib something better than "You've shot me."


Luckily I have never been shot but from what I am told and what I have read, being shot is excruciatingly painful. Considering that two of the bullet's pierced John's left lung, I am surprised he could say anything at all.

Lobowolf, I know that you mean no disrespect to John or indeed to anyone who gets shot. I just am mystified - in a bad way - why this thread which was meant as a tribute to a great voice of a generation has engendered some strange debates over semantics, etc.

Whether one uses the term assassination or murder is irrelevant folks. A man was killed and a voice silenced. "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind." - John Donne

Ahimsa,
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A man was killed and a voice silenced. "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind." - John Donne

Ahimsa,
Vlad


It's interesting to bring up Donne. He would, of course, agree that it's entirely appropriate to remember Lennon, what he stood for, and what he might have contributed were he still alive; on the other hand, as you quote, For Whom the Bell Tolls is about "every man.". Donne might also wonder why we go back decades to mourn and remember a particular man; Donne's point is that we were all diminished by each of the 150,000 or so people who died yesterday. Of course, that's a lot of bandwidth.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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It's not a strange debate at all. Thorndyke was clearly attempting to diminish the significance of Lennon and his death.
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Vlad-

It's not a strange debate at all. Thorndyke was clearly attempting to diminish the significance of Lennon and his death.


Lest it be unclear, *I* wasn't. It's actually Donne I disagree with.
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The differing opinion is the one to listen to. Anyone who wants to belittle, or downplay, Lennon's contributions to society and the peace movements during the 70's is perfectly welcome to do so. That's what it's all about.

"Looking at life through rose-colored lenses" is not a compliment. It's an description of an idealist; someone who doesn't see the world as it truly is, but only the way they think it should be. John Lennon was an idealist in a lot of ways with a lot of his beliefs. I can understand why people would say he was a crack-pot.

There are a few ways of looking at this. People do things because they'll get into trouble if they don't. People do things because that's what everybody else is doing. People do things because they think it is right. I think Lennon genuinely felt that peace was worth it, and so he used his fame and fortune to promote it. His methods were "out there", but that's ok. I can respect that.
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On 2011-12-11 17:55, Patrick Differ wrote:
The differing opinion is the one to listen to. Anyone who wants to belittle, or downplay, Lennon's contributions to society and the peace movements during the 70's is perfectly welcome to do so. That's what it's all about.


I totally agree. But I was under the impression that this thread was intended to be a commemoration of this life.

And, Lobo, I agree with you about Donne. I don't feel the least bit diminished by the deaths of Saddam, Ghaddafi, Hitler, etc.

Good thoughts,

Bob
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Yes Bob, My intent was to remind those who care, that this was the day that Sir John Lennon died. I hope that I don't live to see the day when the masses say "John Who?".
John Lennon was just a Man who spoke his mind without regard to any negative response he might recieve. He not only tried to wear "rose colored glasses" but he tried to do his part to help change the World into a rose colored World where no glasses were required. To wear rose colored glasses without at least trying to make a difference is another thing.
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Amazing how fast time has passed, I remember it like it was yesterday.
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Meeting that night outside the Dakota was the original Facebook meet-up. You knew that everyone you hadn't seen in years was going to be there, like at a relative's funeral. And you were glad to see them, but you wished it were at a happier occassion.
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Well apparently, Yoko Ono is going into the history books for surviving solely on insects.

I read just the other day that she's been living off a dead Beatle for over 30 years. Smile


PS Wonder how many of the PC Brigade that comment is gonna upset!
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Merc Man,

I'm not part of the so called "PC Brigade" but I find your comments distasteful.

I liked some of Yoko's music and I don't think it is within my purview to judge people's relationships from the outside. John and Yoko chose each other and seemed to be happy.
It also seems very clear that much of what I respect John for was either initiated by or supported by Yoko. How much, who knows? I don't discount her role in the peace efforts of John and Yoko.

Thank goodness Yoko is the only one who made any money off The Beatles and John Lennon or you'd have a lot of fingers to point Merc Man.

By the way Yoko was a very savvy investor and so has a great deal of "her own money".

Are you saying that Spouses should not inherit? Wow, I never realized what a stinker my Grandma was for getting most of my Grandpa's stuff after he died.

Think about how you would feel if you read a post like your's after the death of a loved one. This is not a Bar and a lot of people will read your comments. Is this the kind of commentary you want to be known for?

Yoko is not the villain here. She is the Widow of a man who died too young.

-Mary Mowder
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It was a JOKE darlin!

Jeeeez......some people.
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Sorry Sweetie,

I guess humor is subjective.

-Mary
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No problem Mary.

Us Brits eh! x
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