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Todd, I noticed your speech was 30 minutes, is this the norm for you?
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Scott my longest run is 50K, better leave your topic alone lol!
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On 2011-12-20 12:23, barneyfife wrote:
Of those of you who are motivational speakers using mentalism to emphasis points what do yhou suggest as effects, dvds and books to acquire to help further someone who is interested in this type of mentalism? the bookms may be in or out of mentalism

Barney


This is only one approach of incorporating mentalism into speaking, albeit one of the most popular, which is why I stay away from this. Dig deeper and mentalism offers so much moree. Quit thinking effects, but rather messages.

By the way, mine tend to be 45, 60 or 75 minutes in length.
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In my opinion, the mentalism should not be more than a "visual aid" in the context of the presentation. Just like with a photograph in a slide-show presentation while you speak, the visual aid does only that - aid the presentation. If you strip out all of the effects in your presentation, do you still have something that you can sell and will be valuable?

Establish the messaging elements and flow of the presentation first and, only then, add something in an effect or two.
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Well said Scott.

Mindpro,

DO you obtain more speaking bookings then entertainment gigs?
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I made a conscious effort about three years ago to start being very selective about the entertainment bookings I accept, while looking for speaking engagements to fill my weekdays. It varies depending on the time of the year - summer is nearly all entertainment, fall and winter is about 65% speaking/35% entertainment, Spring is about 80% entertainment shows and 20% speaking. My speaking has been carefully designed to feature, highlight and co-promote my books (nine) and series of programs.

Last year I was on the road just over 40 weeks per year, so the speaking has allowed me to fill in the space between the prime entertainment shows, allowing me to maximize my time and expense on the road, rather than just go out for 2-3 days a week, come home for a few days then go back out again. Since I route (or at least try to) my speaking gigs around my performance destinations, they are mostly all profit, plus they are more BOR-prone.
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On 2011-12-20 15:32, Decomposed wrote:
Todd, I noticed your speech was 30 minutes, is this the norm for you?


This is a modular package that can be 30 minutes, 60 minutes or a workshop package that mixes formal lecture with group work. The longer lecture includes a prisoner's dilemma where ... errr... I always win Smile

I am delivering this in the new year to a client for an hour...The RSA lecture format was 30 minutes plus time for Q n A

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Excellent informatin Dr Todd and Mindpro....I noticed so many speakers are authors.

Thank U
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There is a reason for that. Serveral actually.
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On 2011-12-21 04:20, Decomposed wrote:
Excellent informatin Dr Todd and Mindpro....I noticed so many speakers are authors.

Thank U


You are welcome. Yes, I have written a few books Smile

New one from Cambridge arrrived today for proofing!

I think Mindpro has a point...writing books helps scripting and presentation. So does lecturing/teaching/professing ;-)

Cheers

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Being an author is also a strong selling point for booking speaking engagements.

Good thoughts,

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Interesting post.
My world has been corporate speaking for 20 years. I started adding mentalism as "spice" only 6 years ago. It then became more of a "theme". Now I frequently do mentalism as the main theme, but with the speaking as a "spice".
The most funny moments now are when companies hire me as mentalist, but sort of want to know if I can tailor slightly to their corporate agenda! Easy ;-)
It is demanding though to get the balance right, as the booking agent and the audience are not necessarily on the same frequency. It takes quite a lot of questioning and preparation.

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Interesting post.
My world has been corporate speaking for 20 years. I started adding mentalism as "spice" only 6 years ago. It then became more of a "theme". Now I frequently do mentalism as the main theme, but with the speaking as a "spice".
The most funny moments now are when companies hire me as mentalist, but sort of want to know if I can tailor slightly to their corporate agenda! Easy ;-)
It is demanding though to get the balance right, as the booking agent and the audience are not necessarily on the same frequency. It takes quite a lot of questioning and preparation.

Endre


That is excellent Endre, appears much easier breaking into the market adding the spice rather then the other way around. I had no idea there was so much to public speaking until I jumped in head first. I do know my shows have defintely improved though so its a win win situation.

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This was a great discussion! I am actually a speaker from Australia and at this point most of my gigs are keynotes with a hint of magic, it used to be the other way around. How was 2012 for everyone? I got quite a lot of work at this point as most speakers don't have a point of difference, where as us as magicians we have that extra spice and I feel that we are naturally better speakers as we have been trained as showmen? Would you guys agree?
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Although my public speaking presentation is called the magic of customer service, I open with my background and credentials including my magic background and then immediately perform my routine Loto Fever which is a lotto prediction of six randomly selected numbers. I include techniques that allowed me to take an organization from the worst customer service rating ever to the best ever within one year. In the second year, I beat my previous record!

Even though it is called the magic of customer service, I am performing Mentalism.

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The role of my mentalism in my presentations becomes less and less over time. I come to understand that powerful content and engaging delivery can be far more powerful and appreciated than mentalism which can be seen as distractions to the value of the presentation. Of course, we all have our strengths and our own types of clients who value different things. Capturing people with your value & delivery is a rewarding experience. I do see this as a natural progression for myself who always had the ultimate goal of being a speaker. But, yes, the skills I have gained over 25+ years of working the stage is extremely valuable in delivering powerful presentations.
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Great to see how well you've progressed Scott. I agree that the mentalism or magic should on;y be an enhancement to your content. Many beginning speakers try to base a speaking presentation around the effects. It is truly all about content. I too rarely find myself using little or no effects in my speaking presentations as it is truly more about content, interaction and impact. Unless an effect can add to any of these three it isn't worth the time to try to make it fit in and work.

Speaking is about much more than performing as an entertainer. I see many entertainer turned speakers that think they're doing well, when in reality the audience feedback and the hiring client end up saying this like what was that? What was his point? Was that a magic show or was there a point to all of that? Sometimes it can cloudy the water. Great hearing from you Scott, I had been thinking about you and your success.
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Thanks Mindpro! Your constant support is wonderful and valued.

For you or others (I believe you asked once), I posted several recent videos of my presentations on my web site. These are longer excerpts which total about 40 minutes of presentation footage. They can be found on these pages:

http://www.amazingcompanyevents.com/motivational-speaker/

http://www.amazingcompanyevents.com/sales-training/

http://www.amazingcompanyevents.com/leadership-training/

Warning: there is no mentalism (or magic) in these videos because, as mentioned above, this is not the reason why my clients buy (perhaps a bonus but that's it). I'm also not putting myself forward to you all as a perfect speaker - just me plain and simple (but getting better every day).
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Personal view is that motivational speaking is pretty pointless. For the most part anyway. People tend to leave with a feeling of 'so what' or at best understanding something that's just re-hashed obvious drivel.

Tools and skills based talks however are different. If you want to do keynotes on a skill that people can then go away and use to positively impact their business, life or relationships then this is pretty good. As someone already pointed out, I used to do a lot of training on persuasion, influence, selling and presentation skills. I realised that I'm not particularly passionate about this, not compared to performing my mentalism show anyway, so am really focused on that.

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Hey Kennedy,
Long time my friend. It is interesting to hear that you are changing direction back to your mentalism roots. It is important (for us all) to understand and connect with our passions. I continue on my quest to become a speaker as that is where my true/core passion lies. It's not chasing the money but really a bringing together of my various passions, interests, and personality traits. I agree that "motivation" on its own is pretty empty so I do try to transfer skills as much as possible. As with anything, progression and refinement is a continuous and rewarding activity.
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