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Who knows the earliest version of this trick, and what light can be shed on its development?

(Source: Harry Lorayne's Close Up Card Magic)
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One more related version is Stewart Cramer's 'Les Cartes Par Hasard' in Annemann's "Full Deck of Impromptu Card Tricks"(1938).

Although its revelation method is different from 'Stop!', underlying principle is same as 'Stop!'. Of course two tricks can be called different tricks.

So at least, the principle had been used before Harry Lorayne.

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"Underlying principle" or not - TWO DIFFERENT EFFECTS. I do wish everyone would do the trick out of the Annemann book, and leave my original Stop! (originally in Close-Up Card Magic - 1962 - re-written, updated, etc. in The Classic Collection, Vol. 1 - to me. Such silliness!
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Hideo Kato, the request was for the history; 1938, then what? What led to HL's presentation? That would be interesting, rather than inflammatory.
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I think a useful start point is this
http://archive.denisbehr.de/show.php?cat=1291
I've said elsewhere, you can't say that all tricks using estimation are the same trick.
But I think Abbott was the first to use the idea of dealing the cards into several piles to eliminate the range from the estimation; as published in the Encyclopedia of Card Tricks in 1937.
However, the Abbott version used a key card, and some maths which made it a bit complicated for performance.
Also the Abbott version described in the Encyclopedia did not have a clear ending. This was addressed in Expert card Technique, where a down/under deal was introduced.

I'm not aware of any significant contribution to this trick, until Harry Lorayne published Stop! He simplified the maths, and added a powerful ending.


There is a question of whether Stop! is the same trick as the Abbott trick. That got heated in the "Workers" thread; because I guess it depends on your definition of a 'trick'. I'm not aware of a standard definition among magicians.

I'd be surprised if Harry had developed Stop! without being aware of the Abbott trick.

However, for me, he turned a curiosity into a strong, practical effect. And, in magic, that's what matters.
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"I'd be surprised if Harry had developed Stop! without being aware of the Abbott trick." No, El Mystico, I was not aware of the Abbott trick. Quite honestly, I was quite young when I started performing it - didn't yet know about magic shops, other people in magic, etc. And, truthfully, after I did start to meet other people in magic, started to frequent NYC magic shops - I still never heard of Abbott's trick - nor did people like Vernon, Scarne, Cardini, Francis Carlyle, and other knowledgeable magicians mention it to me when I did Stop! for them.
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Thanks, Harry! That's well worth adding too the record.
And congratulations on a great trick!
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This is good information, thank you all so far for contributing. It's great to have a voice from the era* in question who is participating; even better to have the author of the trick in question.

* (I'm not talking about the 19th century, Harry!)
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I remembered I had record of a trick related with Stop!' in my "Today's Finding" thread at the following link.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=60

It was in September 20, 2007 post. The trick is "The Perfect Card Trick" by Richard Durham in August 1938 issue of Genii.

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Thank you Hideo Kato, you never fail to impress!
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From the Genii Magicpedia: http://geniimagazine.com/magicpedia/Stop_Trick
\Variations
Faire apparaitre la carte au mot "Halte!", page 19 in Supplément à la nouvelle magie blanche dévoilée written by Jean-Nicolas Ponsin (1859) (First explaination in French of the Dribble Force.)
To Divise the Pack Into Several Packets on the Table, allowing the company to stop you at any moment and to cause the top card of the heap fast made to change into the chosen card, page 65 in Modern Magic by Prof. Hoffmann (1876)
"THE UBIQUITOUS CARD" (stated to be one of the leading items in the repertory of Nate Leipzig) in Art of Magic (1909)
A "Svengali" EFFECT By Frederick Furman in Magical Bulletin (December 1916)
"Stop" - Some New and Effective Methods by Lawrence B. Burrow in Sphinx (April 1918)
THE IMPENETRABLE STOP TRICK in HAND No. 1. IMPROMPTU CARD TRICKS as part of the THE SIGN OF EXCEPTIONAL MAGIC series. Originally sold in 1921.
This version, however, the magician says "stop". From the advertisement "After shuffling his own pack, anyone thrusts the joker in, noting the card lying above it. After cutting, he deals the pack into two heaps and hands you one of them, retaining the other. He thinks hard of his card and you both begin dealing from your packets in unison. When you stop he does, and turning up the card he stopped at he finds it is the one he selected."
A clever "Stop" Trick in More Manipulative Magic by Charles Eastman (1929)
"Another Moe Mental Force" by Moe Seidenstein described in Moe and his Miracles by William P. Miesel (1986) which is said to be from a manuscript called "Moe's Miracles" (1930). It was also published in "Moe's Five Dollar Manuscript" (1955).
"The Triple Climax" by Arthur Buckley originally in Improved and Original Card Problems (1930) and republished as "Buckley's Slap Shift" in Card Control (1946)
Say When! in Al Baker's Book One (1933) reprint in The Secret Ways of Al Baker (2003)
The Psychological Stop Trick in Encyclopedia of Card Tricks (1937)
The Psychic Stop! in Expert Card Technique (1940)
Never-miss Stop Effect in 12 Tricks with a Borrowed Deck by Martin Gardner (1940)
"Stop Card" Mystery by Martin Sunshine in Tarbell Course in Magic, Vol. 5 (1948)
A Perfect Stop Effect in The Card Magic of Le Paul (1949)
The Stop Effect by Ed Marlo in Side Steal (RCT 4) (1957)
The Notis Stop Trick in Dai Vernon's Inner Secrets of Card Magic (1959)
Stop When Ready by Karl Fulves in Packet Switches (Part One) (1972)
Stop Me in The Card Classics of Ken Krenzel (1978)
Double Stop by Martin Nash in Sleight Unseen (1979)
The Stop Trick by Bruce Cervon in Ultra Cervon (1990)
The Stop Trick (Variante of Never-miss Stop Effect by Martin Gardner) in Card College, Vol. 4 (2000)
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