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SuperMagic Regular user 172 Posts |
Of course we never reveal our secrets of magic, but if someone wanted to learn a flourish cut, would you teach him? I would. I had a couple people wanting to learn the Charlier cut, because it's easy. When someone else wants a real challenge, they quit and stick with the one handed cut.
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Steven Steele Chief of Staff 1868 Posts |
I don't teach non-magicians anything. Non-magicians have no use knowing flourishes as they will only use it lower the art of flourishes to the level of mediocrity...sort of like giving everybody a TT.
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djvirtualreality Inner circle MayfieldNew York 1347 Posts |
If they paid me I would. Flourishes and cuts are nothing magical, they just show skill and precision.
Life is an illusion, death is reality.
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phantomace Special user 651 Posts |
They are no different than techniques. If you wouldn't teach them your double lift, then you shouldn't teach them your flourishes.
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Jordini Inner circle 2765 Posts |
Only if they were truly interested in card manipulation.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
If they wanted lessons I'd charge them. But I would NEVER show anyone anything concerned with magic. It takes skill to do the Charlier cut.
NEVER reveal anything we do!!
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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KC Special user Utah 571 Posts |
I do not have any problems teaching my friends how to do a Charlier cut or spinning a card on my finger. Some people also just want to know how to do a riffle shuffle.
There is definitely a gray area. I suppose that one could argue that teaching someone how to spin a card on their finger can diminish the magical impact if you spin a card after a top change. But if we take it from a purists' (no flourish) view, flourishes aren't magic. I have heard that from many magicians as I am more inclined to do flourishes. K.C. |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Any flourish laymen can't do, they should not be shown how to do it. It cheapens what we do. 98% of my friends are laymen and I won't show them anything.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Bone Loyal user Totally lost... 264 Posts |
Right, They can't.
Just teach them whatever they ask, make fast and not in details, they can't do anything. Except they are the real thing like Jordini has mentioned about. Flourishes not effects. Bone.
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crazyhands New user 53 Posts |
How could I teach someone something for free, that has taken me so much dedication to perfect and perform and on top of that I paid for myself, when you downright know they’re not going to value what they've learned as much as you.
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Jordini Inner circle 2765 Posts |
I don't see a problem with riffle shuffles and standard stuff most people can do. Besides, even if they wanted to learn sybil, AND you TRIED to teach them, laypersons just don't have the will to pay attention long enough. If they actually pay really close attention, and spend time learning this stuff, then they really want to learn it, and you should teach them. As long as you don't teach the pass. That a BIG no-no!!
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Lonnie Dilan Special user Canyon Country, California 823 Posts |
The only people who ever want to learn cuts from me are really, really hot chics. So I teach them a Charlier cut. I don't see anything wrong with teaching them a simple cut. Who knows you may spark an interest in them and you may be looking at the next big thing in a few years.
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Jordini Inner circle 2765 Posts |
I teach the hot chicks how to shuffle. It's a more… hands on experience. LOL
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Stick Man Regular user UK 178 Posts |
I give away any flourishes that someone wants to learn (won't be the case with SH+HL material), normally the self standing triangle and one handed riffle shuffle. As long as the person is dedicated enough to learn I will teach. Its not like giving away a secret like magic its just skill. Even a simple fan people will want to learn. You cant keep that from them.
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zombieboy Special user Connecticut, USA 889 Posts |
Some people already know some basic flourishes. During a walk-around job, I met one person, with no magical experience, who could do the Charlier cut! You never know.
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Jordini Inner circle 2765 Posts |
I think that riffle shuffles are ok, but it didn't occur to me how difficult the Charlier actually is until I saw a new magician trying it out. I forgot how hard it was in the beginning. I was lucky if I could do one w/out the whole deck falling on the ground! Now I fire them off perfectly at around 37-40 a minute or something like that.
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Dbzkid999 Elite user Canada 407 Posts |
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On 2003-09-14 21:05, djvirtualreality wrote: Lol, that's would I would do. |
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Madmonk Regular user 106 Posts |
I would tell them to go out and buy the card college books if they are real intrested.
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Red_Wing_II Regular user Enchanted Mitten 164 Posts |
Also remember there really isn't a whole lot that isn't seen in most basic flourishes, this is a skill that seeing it done also shows how to do it. The real beauty is seeing it done well which only comes from hours and hours of practice.
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Roland Henning Special user Kiel, Germany 511 Posts |
I teach them the one handed riffle shuffle. I show them the mechanics and tell them, they can do it too, if they parctice 4 hours a day for the next 7 years.
Works. mmG Roland |
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