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SuperMagic
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Of course we never reveal our secrets of magic, but if someone wanted to learn a flourish cut, would you teach him? I would. I had a couple people wanting to learn the Charlier cut, because it's easy. When someone else wants a real challenge, they quit and stick with the one handed cut.
Steven Steele
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I don't teach non-magicians anything. Non-magicians have no use knowing flourishes as they will only use it lower the art of flourishes to the level of mediocrity...sort of like giving everybody a TT.
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If they paid me I would. Flourishes and cuts are nothing magical, they just show skill and precision.
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They are no different than techniques. If you wouldn't teach them your double lift, then you shouldn't teach them your flourishes.
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Only if they were truly interested in card manipulation.
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If they wanted lessons I'd charge them. But I would NEVER show anyone anything concerned with magic. It takes skill to do the Charlier cut.

NEVER reveal anything we do!!
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I do not have any problems teaching my friends how to do a Charlier cut or spinning a card on my finger. Some people also just want to know how to do a riffle shuffle.

There is definitely a gray area. I suppose that one could argue that teaching someone how to spin a card on their finger can diminish the magical impact if you spin a card after a top change. But if we take it from a purists' (no flourish) view, flourishes aren't magic. I have heard that from many magicians as I am more inclined to do flourishes.

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Any flourish laymen can't do, they should not be shown how to do it. It cheapens what we do. 98% of my friends are laymen and I won't show them anything.
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Right, They can't.

Just teach them whatever they ask, make fast and not in details, they can't do anything. Except they are the real thing like Jordini has mentioned about.

Flourishes not effects.

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How could I teach someone something for free, that has taken me so much dedication to perfect and perform and on top of that I paid for myself, when you downright know they’re not going to value what they've learned as much as you.
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I don't see a problem with riffle shuffles and standard stuff most people can do. Besides, even if they wanted to learn sybil, AND you TRIED to teach them, laypersons just don't have the will to pay attention long enough. If they actually pay really close attention, and spend time learning this stuff, then they really want to learn it, and you should teach them. As long as you don't teach the pass. That a BIG no-no!! Smile
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The only people who ever want to learn cuts from me are really, really hot chics. So I teach them a Charlier cut. I don't see anything wrong with teaching them a simple cut. Who knows you may spark an interest in them and you may be looking at the next big thing in a few years.

You never, never know.
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I teach the hot chicks how to shuffle. It's a more… hands on experience. LOL
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I give away any flourishes that someone wants to learn (won't be the case with SH+HL material), normally the self standing triangle and one handed riffle shuffle. As long as the person is dedicated enough to learn I will teach. Its not like giving away a secret like magic its just skill. Even a simple fan people will want to learn. You cant keep that from them. Smile
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Some people already know some basic flourishes. During a walk-around job, I met one person, with no magical experience, who could do the Charlier cut! You never know.
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I think that riffle shuffles are ok, but it didn't occur to me how difficult the Charlier actually is until I saw a new magician trying it out. I forgot how hard it was in the beginning. I was lucky if I could do one w/out the whole deck falling on the ground! Now I fire them off perfectly at around 37-40 a minute or something like that.
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Quote:
On 2003-09-14 21:05, djvirtualreality wrote:
If they paid me I would. Flourishes and cuts are nothing magical, they just show skill and precision.


Lol, that's would I would do.
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I would tell them to go out and buy the card college books if they are real intrested.
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Also remember there really isn't a whole lot that isn't seen in most basic flourishes, this is a skill that seeing it done also shows how to do it. The real beauty is seeing it done well which only comes from hours and hours of practice.

Flourishes are as much iceing as cake.
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I teach them the one handed riffle shuffle. I show them the mechanics and tell them, they can do it too, if they parctice 4 hours a day for the next 7 years.

Works.

mmG Roland
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