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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
Ok I need a help about his books. He has published Card College which is consisting of 5 volume. He also has Card College Light, Card College Lighter and Card College Lightest.
Now, what is the main difference between the Card College series and Card College Light Series? Is it better to have the Card College Series than the Card College Light? Or they have totally different approaches and contents? Sorry if this thread is not appropriate in this sub-forum. Please feel free to move it. Thanks and have a wonderful New Year's Celebration.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3346 Posts |
Card College series is a wonderful step by step teaching guide. Start with one and move on through all 5 and like the Royal Road to Card Magic book, you will be well on your way. I do not own but believe the light series are mainly self working miracles.
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
Hey Rizzo, thanks a lot for the reply. Yeah I was browsing the forum using the search function (doh!) and found out the Light Series are mainly self-working or very little sleights for the tricks.
In other forum, someone even suggested to get Card College Light while the Card College is the guidelines for some of the sleights. I dunno, it is kinda pricey to get the two sets at the same time. Oh, another silly question. If someone has the Card College DVD, is it good enough without the book? Or the book and the DVD are the best combination?
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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jonnyboy Inner circle San Diego 1021 Posts |
I have both and the Card College books are much more comprehensive than the DVDs that have been put out to date. I believe they only cover Vol. 1 and 2. To me, the teaching shines through better in the books. If you want to work on your card magic, then the Card College Books are the way to go. The constant references you see people make to them are great evidence of this fact. Note that they also include excellent effects to use your new found skills. The difference between the two series of books (College and Light...) is sort of like being taught how to fish vs. being given a fish to eat today. After you get through the college, you will be able to handle 98% of the effects out there. On the other hand, there a number of other sources for automatic and semiautomatic effects. However, I also have the Light... series, and they are excellent as well.
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
Thanks Jonnyboy. I've read so many good and positive reviews about Card College. So I think I will get these first.
How do you compare these with other books? By Jean Hugard for example.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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jonnyboy Inner circle San Diego 1021 Posts |
They are detailed, but, for me, a lot easier to read. Giobbi has a very fluid writing style, and I liked how he organized the material. Also, the 5 volume series covers much more than the Royal Road to Card Magic. Of course, if you ask a number of card guys, they will passionately provide you with different, well-reasoned answers as to their favorite books, but in my opinion, I think this is a great set for someone who seriously wants to learn to be a good card guy.
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Let me put some order into the Roberto Giobbi Card College products. There are quite a number of different editions available:
1) The 5 books. This is the original series translated into I think five or six languages. If you are serious about card magic those are the books to get and study. 2) Volume 1 and 2 of the 5 volume series have been released as ebooks. They do include about 200 short video clips where Roberto demonstrates every technique. The video clips do not include the effects only the moves and techniques. 3) One can also buy only the videos from the ebooks in the so called companion DVDs. These DVDs simply hold the 200 short move and technique videos from the ebook. They are meant to complement the first two volumes of the printed books. They are not particularly useful standalone. 4) Volume 1 and 2 of the series are also partially covered in DVDs produced by Steinmeyer. These do include effects but are not covering the full material taught in the books or ebooks. 5) The Light Series is, as has been pointed out, something entirely different. These are all self-working effects and can be studied without the knowledge of the 5 volume Card College series. You can buy it as printed books or as PDF ebooks. If you want my opinion then get everything Roberto has released. He is such a great teacher that every product he is involved with is top notch.
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
Hi Chris,
Thanks a lot for the reply! Yeah I've been thinking whether I should get the Card College Series or buy some different books such as from Arthur Buckley, Jean Hugard, etc. I also want to get the Card College Light series. If only I have more money to spend on each month
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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KLG Veteran user Hong Kong 348 Posts |
You don't have to buy all of them at once. Get the first book or first two. It will take a while for you to work through them.
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
That's what I thought also. As many have suggested we should not skip the chapters.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
It also depends where you are in your journey into magic. If you are at the beginning, getting the Light Series is not a bad idea. You will immediately get great routines to perform and practice your performance side without having to first spend weeks and months on technical aspects. As you lick more blood and as you feed off your spectator's responses you can start to work more on the technical part of card magic. Then I would get the Card College series or ebooks.
One other news I can share with anybody for whom the Card College series is too expensive: In perhaps 2-3 months we will be offering individual chapters of the first two volumes of Card College as PDF ebooks. This means you will be able to choose only certain parts which are particularly interesting to you. They will provide an easy way to try out Roberto's teaching style without having to commit to spend a lot of money.
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
Hey Chris, that is actually a really nice idea. It is like selling singles than the whole album.
Well, I'm not a pro performer nor working magician, I'm just merely a hobbyist. I've started learning about magic for about three years ago but I started at a point where I didn't actually learn the foundation but the effects or tricks. I can do some sleights, but I'm looking for materials that can help me building a stronger foundation.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On 2011-12-30 15:24, Failed Magician wrote: Whilst I have got Hugards books and we ignore history at our peril I think my overriding impression is that the Card College books are probably one of the most up to date references available and the language feels a lot more modern. However there is a lot to digest in Card College. I might be tempted to suggest getting Royal Road to Card Magic by Hugard (it is relatively cheap) and the first couple of Card College books and see how you get on. There will be enough in there to keep you studying for a long long time. I've got the first 4 Card College books and aside from a glance 3 & 4 have hardly been touched yet. On a personal note I have to say I always have a big happy smile on my face going through Card College chapters as it just seems so much more accessible and clear to me but I'd never ignore Hugard as his books are really the foundation College is built on IMHO ( as you'll see from the number of credits to his books in College). Only other thought is don't get bogged down with just a couple of thinkers --- I wouldn't advise you to go splashing out on more Giobbi after Card College until you'd looked at other peoples work, for me Harry Lorayne, Roy Walton, Simon Aronson and David Regal are all worth looking into-- lots of other folks will have their favourites. |
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krazykat New user New Jersey 87 Posts |
The thing with the CC books is that they were designed as a COURSE. Each chapter builds on the one before it. The best way to go through them, then, is one volume at a time. Start with number one, and after you have mastered it, move on to number two, etc. Each volume, even number one, will keep you busy for a long, long, time.
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dbriegs New user NJ 61 Posts |
I got the Card College 1&2 DVDs and they are outstanding. I did not get the books. The DVDs are great! I prefer seeing on video and find learning moves much easier that way. Very well done.
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
How about the Light Series? Between the Light, Lighter and Lightest, which one I should get?
I'm not a beginner nor an expert. So I'm trying to decide which book of the Light Series I should get. I don't think I can afford buying them all three in one go.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
I think it is best to start with Light. It is the most structured of the three.
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Failed Magician Inner circle Still working on the DL even after made 2100 Posts |
Hey Chris, thanks again for your opinion.
Because I read a review on the net the other day. The guy had all three books from Light Series but he said the last one is the best as it is somewhat richer than the first two. Perhaps it depends on how long we have been in card tricks.
Magic comes through perception. -HS
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Chris Inner circle lybrary.com 1177 Posts |
Overall the differences of the three volumes are minor. There are great effects in each of them. Neither one is a requirement for any of the other. So in the end it really doesn't matter much if you start with Light, Lighter or Lightest.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On 2012-01-01 10:55, Ray Chelt wrote: A resounding AMEN Ray!! I truly agree with your sage advice. @Failed: Ray offers advice that is worth its weight in platinum. Just as in university where we major in a certain subject,we understand that it is crucial to learn from different professors. All of the authors that Ray has mentioned ALL have different approaches and each is equally superb for your education. IMHO however, Harry Lorayne has been and continues to be THE standard for magic instruction. As for comparing Giobbi to Hugard I would say that comparisons like that really get us nowhere. If I am for instance studying British Literature, I am not going to "compare" Chaucer with Shakespeare because each approaches his art in different ways. Yes, I do have preferences but such preferences are always subjective. In American lit for instance I much prefer Fitzgerald to Hemingway. That said, I would not ignore Hemingway. Read and study closely everything you can. I know that it can get expensive so asking questions from which you can make an informed decision is a great way to go financially and otherwise. I will echo as well the thought about Card College in that you do NOT need to buy all 5 at once. Believe me, even volume ONE will keep you busy. You have a LOT of years to read and study all you can and books like Card College are not going to disappear anytime soon. I understand completely the desire to have it all at once but it's quite impossible to accomplish that unless you are wealthy enough to buy out Byron Walker and Jon Greget! Of course if you did THAT you would need about four HUGE mansions to fill it all and you would never in a million lifetimes read it all. I also want to add that e-books are just as good as physical books. Check out work by Cameron Francis, Peter Duffie, Raphael Czaja, Andrew Loh, Chris Piercy, and Aldo Colombini to name a few. Even though you are a hobbyist, you still want stuff from working pros whether the medium is physical book, e-book or DVD. In fact,once you are feeling more confident, I would offer that Paul Green's "In The Trenches" DVD is one of the best purchases you can make. Ahimsa, Vlad PS: Again with regard to Hugard and older writers like Ganson, remember that they were the Loraynes and Giobbis of their day. Their prose will at first seem a bit more stilted but persevere and you will have an emerald mine of information. Educational theories have advanced since the days of Hugard and Ganson and frankly it is Lorayne that heralded the new instructional style in magic. That being said, I believe at least that as Ray states so eloquently that we ignore history at our peril. |
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