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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Yes Occams razor basically means that the simplest solution is usually the truth. An example of Occam's razor in action would be a one way forcing deck. The simplest solution to how he knew which card is the cards are all the same. Magicians are often easier to fool because we rarely look for the simplest answer and so you can floor a magician with a one way force deck easier than you can with laymen. Laymen will almost always fall back to occam's razor regardless of whether they have heard of the concept.
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
Thank you, funsway and Mark, for the definition, clarification and thoroughness. I had never heard this term before! VERY helpful for approaching the structure of a routine.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2012-01-10 03:03, Atom3339 wrote: When you have two perfectly suitable working methods, it's to your advantage to go with the simpler of the two. To not unduly multiply one's entities (or chances for failure).
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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rklew64 Inner circle 1265 Posts |
Can gaffs spoil an effect? Great question. My take is when....No.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Yea When You are working with a gaff WHEN !!! Is The most Importent!
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
The simple and probably most honest answer to can gaffs spoil an effect is no it takes a performer to spoil an effect, the gaff just does as it's told. Haha there is always an exception to every rule, rubber bands fail and then you have to say "not only did the coin penetrate the bottle, it also broke into 3 pieces" lol
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
And then you do the Broken and restored coin!
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
David, I bet you have as many "outs" as routines!
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
Talking of outs I once had a held out coin slip from my sleeve which went clang as it hit the floor. I looked up at the ceiling then took a pace to the left then carried on with the routine. The held out coin was the borrowed coin. For the clean up I vanished the gaff and said "your coin has completely vanished, but don't worry one fell from the ceiling a few minutes ago, you can have that". I think I got away with it.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Yea I have done the frist half before! But your Ending Is nice!
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AdamChance Special user 656 Posts |
I'm kinda new to magic and I love using gaffs because you can perform some pretty impressive stuff without putting in hundreds of hours of practice. when people ask me how long I've been doing magic for, they expect me to say like 10 years or something... and when I tell them I've only been doing it for a few months... they wonder how I learned to do all this stuff.
but I've seen really skilled magicians just do tricks with a normal deck and normal coins... and I'm impressed by the tricks because I know how technically difficult that stuff is to perform... but I think normal people (non-magicians) tend to be more impressed when you use some sort of gimmick because the effects you can perform are so much more impressive. when I saw a really good magician just do tricks for people using a regular deck of cards, I felt like the people would have been more impressed if he just made a silk vanish with a simple TT. so I think that some really skilled magicians fall into the trap of just using their skills to perform an effect... when they could use a simple gimmick that will produce a better effect. to be honest, I think most people have no clue how most tricks are done if they're performed well... so you just want to do the tricks with the best effect, whether it uses a gaff or not. |
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charliewerner Regular user 164 Posts |
Sometime you have to lie... swear that all those coin are normal..borrow their coin if possible.. if not possible, let them check the coin before you start performing..
Always states the magic or skill you acquired required 10 years of practice and involve large amount of money and time... Dai vernon is interesting when he talk about how he search for cheat throughout America.
"Seeing Joy, Sadness, Anger,Contempt,Surprise, Disgust,Fear on people faces are the motivation of my MAGIC" Charlie Werner (C.C.L)
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Hi Adam ,
Yea The old Masters used to say " you use whatever Works" And Most of the Time I think your Right! And it's just that! " MOST OF THE TIME" but also As thay Say " ONE OF THOSE DAYS" ( and this could be years, And also Depends on WHO you work for! Somebody is going to want see that gaff! or say hear "used my coins"? And then what are you going to do??? That's when it's so nice to have some skill to back it up! So you should have a GOOD coin swith To ring in the gaff and ring it back at the end! And most people do not Handle a gaff Like it was a REAL coin! So you should work on that! and anyone that know's me know's I not saying to not use gaffed coins! I use them all the time! It's just if that is all you use is gaffs, It's going to come back and bite you in the rear one of these days !!! And So you have to be a good boy Scoot, and Know some good Slight of hand. and about your gaffs you have to carry your stuff with you all the time! I never go out without 4 coin purses 2 in Each front pocket And a gaff coin in each front pocket! And I try to Have a magnetic Hold out on me if I can! If you don't sometime, somewhere, some one is going to come up to you and say Do that so and so trick for me ! And if you can't do something that looks somewhat like it thay mite think o--- OK He needs his Magic stuff to do it!!! And hopely this is not somone who is thinking about buying a big show from you!!! Ok agen just my 2 cents! |
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4187 Posts |
When you start out it is easy to think that you can do better tricks with gaffs but that's not always true. There are very few gaff tricks that can't be done without gaffs. It's just a lot harder to do it without gaffs. Sure you'd be hard pushed to do cig through coin without a gaff but say hopping halfs you could do and you could do a better version without gaffs. Combine gaffs and skill and you could really have some fun with hopping halfs.
I used to have fun at conventions showing magicians my examinable coin unique, overlap the 2 coins in the same way you would a coin unique, squeeze them together as if nesting them while really sleeving the smaller coin. Then chuckle to myself as they spent ages studying the coin before heading to the dealer hall to get one lol. Developing skill is hard work and it is also immensely satisfying, you get a real sense of achievement that you will never get from using a gaffed coin to perform a standard store bought routine. Finding new ways to use gaffs to create your own routines will give you satisfaction, and some skill will help with that. Rather than think gaff or no gaff think of the effect you want to achieve then work out the best way to achieve that with or without gaffs. I used to do a gambling demonstrating, the effect was I'd spread the cards face up to show all mixed. Have the spectator shuffle the deck. I'd then ask for a number between 3 and 8 explaining that it takes a minimum of 3 and a maximum of 8 shuffles to stack a fairly shuffled deck. After the number of shuffles called the deck is in new deck order. I had 3 versions, gaffed deck, normal deck and borrowed. The gaffed deck was the easiest, the normal deck version required a deck switch (who guessed lol) and the borrowed deck was a major major pain and the spectator didn't get to shuffle the borrowed deck. Despite not shuffling the deck the borrowed deck version got the best reaction because it was their deck but beyond that the effect was identical to the spectators. The gaffed deck was the easiest and cleanest so 9 out of 10 times that's the version I'd use. As David pointed out a few times in this thread combine gaffs and skill and you can really work miracles. |
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