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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Yep. I'm agreeing with you on all of this, you know.
The core problem, which we've been dancing around, is that a high school diploma is a theoretical certification that an individual has mastered the basic writing, reading and arithmetic skills that are necessary for most jobs in the business world. But, depending on the high school, said "certification" is likely to be useless for practical purposes. (It is, sadly, increasingly commonplace for universities to require freshmen to take remedial courses in high school level work when it is apparent that their secondary education was lacking.) That being the case, many employers in the business and technical fields require employees to take basic tests to determine their qualifications for a specific job. And with this, apparently, the EEOC has no problem. I doubt very much that they would find it to be discriminatory if an applicant for an accounting position was denied employment because he could not pass a basic arithmetic test. Good thoughts, Bob |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-01-03 03:02, mastermindreader wrote: But you're so rational that I enjoy agreeing with you even more than disagreeing with almost anyone else.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-01-03 03:06, LobowolfXXX wrote: Oh. Okay. (But you do realize that I'm a radical left wing progressive, right? ) Best- Bob |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-01-03 03:15, mastermindreader wrote: I strongly agree with radical left wing progressives on some matters, and I strongly agree with radical right wing conservatives on others. Sometimes, I even agree with moderates.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Woah! Me too! (Cue Twilight Zone theme)
Sometimes... Good thoughts, Bob |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
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The core problem, which we've been dancing around, is that a high school diploma is a theoretical certification that an individual has mastered the basic writing, reading and arithmetic skills that are necessary for most jobs in the business world. Even more basic than that, Bob. The High School Diploma is supposed to be evidence that its holder has mastered some very basic life skills, such as getting up in the morning on time, showing up for school/work on time, being able to pay attention in classes for 30 or 40 minutes at a time, getting along with others in his or her peer group, being able to take direction from someone in authority, etc. Specific job-related tasks are things that many if not most employers would prefer to train themselves, if the candidates have the basic skills and attitudes that will make learning them possible. That's why this EEOC requirement is wrongheaded. W. |
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Dennis Michael Inner circle Southern, NJ 5821 Posts |
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On 2012-01-03 02:46, seadog93 wrote: In Conn. "The New have 20", in NJ and many major cities, within the Fire Department, Promotions are based on "gender and/or color". If you are white, forget it. It applies to many fields, see http://www.Adversity.net
Dennis Michael
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
All one has to do is purchase a diploma on the internet, no problem.
Iven
Give the gift of Life, Be an Organ Donor.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
So, all I got to do is qwit schol and I qwalify for all sort of disability perks? Swete...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Woland-
We are both looking at the same article and we appear to agree on the relative value, or lack of it, of a high school diploma. It seems that the EEOC's letter simply states that a diploma should not be used as an arbitrary job qualifier for those whose disabilities have prevented them from obtaining one. The way I read their position, they are not suggesting that employers would have to hire otherwise unqualified applicants. (That's why I suggested that simple pre-employment aptitude testing should be an acceptable- in fact a preferable- standard; one that would be wisely applied even to those who actually have a diploma.) I would agree that if any new rules were to arise out of their position, they would need to be much more specific as to their purpose and intent in order to avoid what would otherwise be inevitable lawsuits. Good thoughts, Bob PS- I fail to see how this topic relates to "reverse racism" as has been stated elsewhere in this thread. It's about job requirements for the disabled. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-01-03 10:01, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote: That isn't what the EEOC has suggested, nor is it even close to what the article is about. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Essentially, the question boils down to this- Should an otherwise qualified disabled individual, whose disability has prevented him/her from obtaining a high school diploma be afforded the reasonable accomodation rights set forth in the Americans With Disabilities Act?
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Thanks, Bob. I think in general employers would be very happy to find good prospects.
Incidentally, a high school diploma was once a very unusual credential. Most people finished school after the 8th grade ("grammar school") and the few hundred annual high school graduates in a city of 4 or 5 million that was New York were likely to be better educated that most college graduates today. My Grandmother, may she rest in peace, graduated from a New York City high school before the Great War. Sixty years later, when I was studying in Baden-Wuerttemberg, she could still correspond with me in very good German, complete with what had become somewhat archaic spelling. She probably could have also corresponded with me in Latin, which unfortunately I did not have. W. |
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