Anyone familiar with this effect? Please PM me with any info. Want to see if this is legit or not. Read someone liked it over the telephone. Heres the link:

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll......ry=14014

Thanks!

Wayne

This is not a product put on the market by Derren himself. Merely someone trying to sell "Derren Brown" style mentalism, whatever that may be. Sounds like a voice force to me. Certainly not worth the money. You could buy a book with this, and many other methods inside. Banachek's masterpiece Psychological Subtleties comes to mind.

Sounds like a scam to me.

J

"Ahead of the Pack" by Jack Avis and Lewis Jones(available through Ian Rowland) has an effect that works exactly as described...

For a review of the book, go to:
http://www.magicweek.co.uk/magic_reviews......pack.htm

UJ

P.S. No force, by the way, and I'd specifically perform this "Derren Brown style"...

This effect works like a number of others that are based on a principle by Sam Schwartz. Unfortunately, this particular presentation makes no sense at all. Why these words? Where did they come from? It's so unmotivated that it practically exposes the method.

For far better uses of the principle, see "Book It" in Richard Mark's book, Mind Warp; "Anagramarye" in Waters' Mind, Myth & Magick; and Sign Language by Doug Dyment.

Unfortunately I fell for this thinking it could be something new and bought through e-bay, when I received it I found it to be an almost exact copy of Ted Amburg's Psychic Vision. When I contacted the seller telling him this he told me he was unaware as he apparently got the idea some where else and returned my payment. But he also said he would place a note in the advertising that it had a likeness to Psychic Vision so anyone with an interest would realise.

Franklin - The Paranormalist

I have just come across the e-mail the seller of 'Derren Brown's Mental list'sent me of which I enclose a couple of paragraphs from it:

>As I tried to explain on the phone (which can be difficult for me at times) I wrote the trick down when I was at school because it was cool, its supposed to be based on anything in particular and uses a know psychological system for obtaining the results. I only became aware of the mental yarn version very recently and I haven't read it yet so perhaps I should take a look. ?4 of the money paid for this trick goes on the materials which are laser printed on heavy paper so I don't feel I am ripping anyone off.

>I will be putting a note on the remainder of the items I have left so that it clarifies further what the trick contains and I will also try and purchase the other version to see how similar they are (the last thing I want is copyright problems)

The sellers name is Kenny Roberts trading as Phoenex Seven Magic Company
E-mail: maverick7@tiscali.co.uk

Bill Goldman sold this (I think) under the name "Mental Yarn". He never claimed it was original, and did not know who the inventor was. (This was explained in the instructions). Others wiser than me have credited Ned Rutledge. It's still a good effect. I paid $10 for it. I wish some of the money went to the originator.

Regards,
Victor

This is just a variation of Ned Rutledge's "Who's Minding The Store." It's a commonly ripped off trick. I do a variation created by Pepe Monfort called "Minding The Bar" using a wallet designed by Ray Piatt. I've also created my own variatio I call "Who's Controlling Your Mind" which has a premise built around word play and word association.

Brother Sanctum

I ordered it for 2.50 pounds. Haven't received it yet but this thread has been very helpful, thanks to all. I don't own any of the other products here so perhaps it will be useful or I can work it into my effects. I apoligize in advance to any I have offended cause last thing I want is seasoned mentalist upset with me.

Brother Sanctum,
Can you tell me where "Who's minding the Store" was originally published? I'd like to get a legit copy of it.
Thanks,
Victor