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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Okay since this is a topic about the BOOK, please post the lies. How about not what he thought or how he suggested in someway but the outright lies.
Guess we can only assume then. PS: Saying a vehicle has never been in an accident and it has is pretty much cut and dry. Its not a subliminal suggestion nor is it fancy puffed up advertising.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It simply proves the point. You guys will support ANYTHING. It is that simple. I am glad he is getting all the publicity he wants here.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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dduane Special user Bridgewater, MA 784 Posts |
About the lies... well that's a strong word - lie. It's more like a fib, but there is a good chance if the customer hires you, he'll find out that you made something up - if he remembers. It's kind of said "in passing". The purpose is to make the customer think that you are a busy magician who travels a lot. To just give a phrase from the book, makes it a bit out of context. Benji tells his customers that he's "in town for a couple of days", and implies it's the best approach. It's supposed to make you look like you get lots of work traveling around. This is just part of the customer intro that is to create a successful image of you. Of course they may find you live in that town, or notice that you are there every week, but...
Doing things to make the customer think you get lots of big tips is probably worse, in that you use your own money, and he suggest one way of using the help to set it up. Benji admits that these tactics are not for everyone, but they work and give example of how focused on your future success you have to be (his opinion). My opinion is that this thread is giving him too much attention. He will make money and do some corporate events for sure - because he has perseverance. There are a lot of rich businessmen that got that way in part due to shady practices. Eventually, if he gets enough good work, he won't have to make things up. If you do whatever it takes to get noticed (I don't agree with being dishonest, though), then you better be good at your profession... Don't know where he stands on that. For me, I'd like to be known as the guy that made everyone feel good and forget there troubles for an evening -- and was amazing too. Dennis |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Telling people you are only in town for a few days when you live there IS A LIE. Telling people that a tip is from a table when it is your own money IS A LIE. This is cut and dry unless you are a Benji follower.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Thanks Dennis, a matter of opinion.
Putting some tips in a jar yourself is done all the time and I have never heard anyone say anything negative about it until now. If its wrong, I am afraid Im the only one then who sees nothing wrong with it. Benji said "hey I have tips in this here jar" Yeah okay, pretty sharp there. Gotta be another Benji,the one I know is pretty clever. About being in town, do not know about that one. Implying traveling though I don't see anything wrong with it unless I say Im somewhere I am not. "He will make money and do some corporate events for sure - because he has perseverance." I think we can mostly agree on that. The kid does have spunk. Waiting on more reviews to filter in, thanks Dennis.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
HE DOES NOT IMPLY TRAVEL, HE LIES! Sorry but your hero tells lies according to Dennis' review of the book. YOU support it. This is pretty simple.
Now you can argue that it does not hurt anyone, but it is a deception. This can not be argued. I do not think that a deception is the best way to start a relationship with a client. By the way if you ARE busy and you ARE in demand and you ARE a professional entertainer of note, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECEIVE PEOPLE TO GET WORK!
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
We will have to agree to disagree. I have not seen the book. Buy it Danny like you said it was and give us some quotes please.
I would not even call the tip jar a deception unless of course what we do in shows is a deception. Much too early for me.....hard to believe ya'll are still up at this hour. PS: And because something does not hurt anyone its okay, I never said that. Wrong is wrong. Gray is gray though. Advertising is another story entirely. Advertising can sometimes puff up a bit but not be a lie. If a customer ask you directly, you must answer the question. That is a given. "Did you really perform for the president" Yes I did. Wow! Yeah, it was something else. I got a big discount on my brake pads also.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
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On 2012-01-19 22:09, Decomposed wrote: This is not at all what he's talking about, you're not understanding this, again. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Oh he understands perfectly. He does not want too, but he does.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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dduane Special user Bridgewater, MA 784 Posts |
Decomposed: Putting money in the tip jar is different than having a waitress hand your $20 to you while you are working a table and say, "Table 36 wanted to give this to you."
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
"By the way if you ARE busy and you ARE in demand and you ARE a professional entertainer of note, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECEIVE PEOPLE TO GET WORK!"
Yeah in what 30 years? Benji is attracting attention by a streamlined version to the top. And you can throw out the tip jars, Im in your city now etc etc and there is still good stuff in there if you take off the rose colored glasses. I am not interested in the food magic. There is much more in store and re-read Dennis review will ya. Its like you are just picking out the negative and exploiting it here. How about look at the pros also.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2012-01-19 22:16, Decomposed wrote: Yea no need to buy the book. It is pretty clear, and I am glad it has been laid out for what it really is. No wonder ol Benji doesn't want to discuss it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2012-01-19 22:19, Decomposed wrote: One can not have one without the other. I would ask you to look at the bad part. You won't even admit they are there. That is pathetic.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
I told you I do not have the book Danny, just what Dennis posted. What more do you want?
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
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On 2012-01-19 22:19, Decomposed wrote: So it's okay with you for someone to lie, cheat and steal to get somewhere quickly at all costs? That's what you are saying. |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
You want me to say he is a low life dirtbag and I ain't gonna do it.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Did we say he was that?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
No, Benji does that to himself. But you asked for proof, you said you wanted to hear an unbiased review, you got these things. Points were proven. What I think is wanted is for you to say you can now see what is being said and is being proven, whether you like him or not.
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dduane Special user Bridgewater, MA 784 Posts |
Check my last post on the previous page if you missed it. He also suggests dropping "accidentally" your "tip" money while getting props. I would think that most anything is OK if you make a living from mostly tips. I'm not judging the method so much as why would a successful professional corporate entertainer want to do these things - or even do restaurant work? Contact event planners instead. Focus on that.
I feel sucked into this thread and can't get out... AARRRGH ... Oh well it's kind of fun anyway. Goodnight, Dennis |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Dennis,
Do you feel it was a complete waste of your time/money reading it? You did say there were a few things you got from the book. Tom
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