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chicane
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The thing I like about ignition as apposed to most other penetration effects is you show the key cleanly and fully intact right before the plunge. Something you cant do with the pen versions.
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I think I'm going to make myself an ungimmicked Trabucco Holdout to steal and ditch my gimmick. It's not practical for the worker to keep the gimmick on the key when not performing because it makes it difficult to steal and ditch the gimmick. With a Trabucco-style holdout, I can start clean and end clean, all without going to my pocket. Here's a suggestion: I suggest not using the tearing out of the key as shown on the dvd. Yes, you can immediately hand out the key, but with the pen through bill, nobody's ever cared about the pen before wanting to check out the bill. I suggest having them hold onto one of the corners of the bill and then pulling the key along the bill towards the furthest opposite corner. This will create a perfect tearing sound and it will make it look absolutely realistic. They're left holding onto the bill and it is intact. You've had plenty of time to clean up the gimmick and hand out the key if necessary.
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Patrick, that is a good idea, but I think you are over thinking the issue, for lay people, you have plenty of time to casually stand at rest with your hand in your pocket, I have a wallet with a magnet in it and I have tried to temporarily ditch it there, and it works, but I found that it is not necessary, no one notices anything, after all they just examined the key and it’s their bill.
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I have two options:

1-Go to my pocket
2-Not go to my pocket

I prefer not going to my pocket. It's no extra work. In fact, it's less work. I also prefer not having it in my pocket because then I can use that pocket for other things and not worry about fumbling. I see nothing but positives for this idea.
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Yep....i'm clicking the BUY button now.....I can see using this.....
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I would have bought this, mostly because I trust Chris Smith's products. But I'm so happy with the Cornelius Pen Thru Anything, that I'm passing. But it does look great.

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I think it's better than the pen simply because you see the entire key go in to the bill, with the pen , you have to cover that special part, not a huge diference especially to lay people . Both are great effects.
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On 2012-01-24 18:27, dave wrote:
Patrick, that is a good idea, but I think you are over thinking the issue, for lay people, you have plenty of time to casually stand at rest with your hand in your pocket, I have a wallet with a magnet in it and I have tried to temporarily ditch it there, and it works, but I found that it is not necessary, no one notices anything, after all they just examined the key and it’s their bill.


I agree Dave- you have plenty of time to do the ditch. Unless you have the hold out set-up for other effects, there is no need for it.

RNK
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I realize that I have plenty of time to do the ditch, that's how I've been doing it. I don't see why you wouldn't want to use the best possible method. The Trabucco holdout makes everything in this routine easier and a bit more deceptive for anyone who would be looking extra carefully. Since your hand drops to your side after you tear out the key anyway, why not ditch it then? That's what the holdout will allow you to do. That way, you clean up the effect quicker and there is less chance of detection. It also resets it instantly without you having to hold out the gimmick and then reattach it to the key, with a chance of fumbling. Like I said, it's less work. Am I the only one who sees that?
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I leave the gimmick attached to the key until I'm ready to perform.

After the effect I hand them the key and the bill to examine and I leave my hands casually by my sides while holding the gimmick. I'm not worried about anyone looking at my hands, and in an offbeat I may ditch the gimmick in my pocket. Sometimes I just leave it in my hand the whole time and just take key back from them and pocket it at that point.

I can see how using a holdout could be useful for some, but for me a holdout wouldn't really offer any advantage. It comes down to personal preference and performing style. I like that there is no setup for this effect and using a holdout negates that.
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Having a holdout does not negate that. Put the holdout in your performance jacket and you're good to go all night without any setup. Also, holding out the gimmick has a risk factor, however small. For those of you who understand what an ungimmicked Trabucco Holdout would consist of, you should understand that it is a no-brainer to be using one unless you don't perform with a jacket. I cannot comprehend how anyone could have an argument against using the holdout, other than what they're currently doing works for them, which is not really the optimum mindset to have. Regardless, I thought I'd share and that's what I'll be doing.
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Patrick,

I'm having a little trouble understanding an "ungimmicked" Trabucco holdout.

I have a Trabucco Holdout. Is there something different with an "ungimmicked" one?

If this is touchy, please feel free to PM me.

Thanks,
Sammy
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On 2012-01-25 19:12, PatrickGregoire wrote:
... I cannot comprehend how anyone could have an argument against using the holdout, other than what they're currently doing works for them, which is not really the optimum mindset to have. ...


If what someone is doing works for them, that's not "the proper mindset"? Really?! Smile

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I didn't say it wasn't proper, I said it wasn't optimum. If there is a better solution, they should at least consider it and not just dismiss it because they already have something that works well enough.
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Getting out of control>>> taking a step back, Patrick found something that works well for him and just thought he would share it with us, I think that was very cool of him, if it is something that works for you then great use it, even comment on it in a positive way, but don't trash it, after all this is what we all do for eachother.
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Got this today from Tannens.
Great pocket effect, very well made and most deceptive.
I prefer it to all the penetrating pens and that other key before it.
That MagicSmith fellow is a very clever guy.
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Chris is a great guy. Talked to him tonight at MagiFest and picked one of these up. Great effect. Something different that you can always have with you. Great thinking!
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The sugar packet ideas are top notch.
If you feel dollar bill penetrations are a bit over played then Ignition just might be for you.
The sugar packet at the restaurant scenario is what you will be enjoying.
Restaurant environmental magicians will want this and they will certainly kill with it.
Even those spectators who have seen you poke a pen thru a bill in the past will perceive this as new and different.

This prop handles comfortably...I am so pleased that it is not flimsy.
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For Patrick: If you want to ditch, a variety of items that can be carried in your back pocket -- maybe even your bunch of keys -- could serve your purpose without having to install something extra in your jacket.

This is a beautifully made prop with a clear, direct, simple effect and convincing visuals at every stage. And as several have mentioned, Chris Smith is a nice guy and puts out great stuff.

Cheers,
Jerry
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So I'm here at Magi-Fest and got to watch Chris perform this effect over and over and over again. This effect has PERFECT economy of motion. There is no wasted movement. Every action makes sense, and you present a truly impossible moment to your spectator. To me, this was the best trick of the convention. No wonder he sold out!!!!! Bravo Chris!!!!!!
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