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Olympic Adam
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I used to get a bit angry about this kind of show but then we can just add magicians to the list of people being slaughtered

how many good singers can't get anywhere because some twats are getting all the gigs after they cried on xfactor

how many good ice skaters are now lowering their performance so they can carry a fat idiot around on ice

actual dancers too, now magicians!

we should just turn off

as long as people think bad performances are good (reality tv) we should stay away,

real talent is having a hard time being seen anywhere these days, mainstream TV is not the place to find it

one thing is that 'people' now think that this is magic, if they don't like it, they won't hire us (even though we may be different), if they do like it and we turn up trying to do something different they won't like it because it isn't what the man did on TV.

people should be able to be critical of performances too, we shouldn't just pat each other on the back after any performance, Richard Bellars got a lot of stick for that first performance so he can give it out! if anyone should be able to be critical it should be another magician

not everything needs to be adapted to celebrity format,

I was watching an old WWF video where a guy jumped off a ladder 20ft above the ring and landed through 4 tables onto the ground, when can we start subjecting these celebrity idiots to that sort of thing?

I vote for repeats of old shows too
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After reading some of the recent posts, I regret what I said earlier, and I'd like to take my previous comments back.
Barry and Stuart should be shot BEFORE Jedward.
They are nothing but talentless, bumbling numpties giving magic the worst possible image.
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I like the show. Essential viewing.
I thought rule 3 of magic club was "Don't criticise a fellow magician"? Rule 1 being, of course, Do Not Talk About The Secrets, and rule 2 being DO NOT TALK ABOUT THE SECRETS.
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We don't need to worry about exposing secrets here. The show takes care I that for us! I don't remember the other rules being mentioned. My view is take the rough with smooth. Let's be honest, the magicians are there for the publicity and I understand that. I'd do the same. However, did they not see the first series??? I think it's fair to say a bit of stuck from other magicians was to be expected! Surely?
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It would be much better to re-run the daniels show.

OH NO! That doesn't make any money from idiots phoning in to save a Z list celebrity from doing the "Death Defying Forfeit"

The Magicians is crap.
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On 2012-01-17 20:54, JustJoshinMagic wrote:
Does anyone know if R. Paul Wilson is still involved with this? I know he was one of the producers last season


The Funny thing was series 1 he was always on Twitter saying what a Great Show this is but not a word from him this Series,

So I checked the Shine TV Website (who make this show for the BBC)

and the 2 Consultant Producers are Credited are

Paul Wilson and Alexis Conran ! (aka in the UK from TV show "The Real Hustle" )
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On 2012-01-26 13:18, Paul S Wingham wrote:
We don't need to worry about exposing secrets here. The show takes care I that for us!


Funny how everyone was up in arms about a packet trick that was on Penn & Teller Fool Us

But Ok to exponse 2 Large Illusions one acording to Wayne Dobson blog cost 25,000 !
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This show is woeful.

I don't want to criticise the magicians as I've enjoyed performances from each of them, and love the way their different personalities come across in their work. I don't want to criticise the presenter either. He seems to have been relaxing since week one, getting better each episode and has had some quick comebacks which have amused me. (On first viewing, I must confess I thought he was the Irish gay trolly dolly from Big Brother).

However, the format just seems lazy and inappropriate to me. Some have been spouting off about the BARB figures, but the evidence does seem to suggest that these have been falling each week. The latest figures I can find don't even list the show in the top 30 on BBC1, which is awful for a Saturday night primetime show, with viewing figures somewhere below 4.5 million. Strictly Come Dancing regularly got well over 10 million in roughly the same slot a month or so ago. The inclusion of 'celebrities' doesn't make much sense to me. In Strictly, you got to see their journey over the course of a series as they struggled to learn new skills. Here, the celebs aren't compelling and it comes across as producers bereft of creative ideas jumping on the current bandwagon. I'm also not convinced anything positive is gained by broadcasting it live. This comes across as merely a box-ticking exercise to incorporate some modicum of audience interactivity. Finally, the 'forfeit' is ridiculous, laughable and pointless. It gives the impression it's been tacked on in a desperate attempt to suggest the interactivity might have some purpose. A previous poster suggested the format (already part-way through its second series) had been sold to three or four other countries. That is embarrassing compared with other BBC formats such as Strictly, Weakest Link etc, and a testament to how bad this show is. The production values generally are very poor. Compared with other BBC1 Saturday night shows (Strictly, the Graham Norton reality musical shows etc), the music is terrible, the set is terrible, the graphics are terrible, the cameras, sound crew and floor manager in shot are terrible, the pacing is terrible and the lighting is terrible. This show just feels cheap.

I too would prefer to see re-runs of classic Paul Daniels shows. Even better, compilation shows mixing the best clips from archive shows with newly-shot beautifully-produced segments from the most exciting current magicians around the world. Done properly there would be no need for token 'celebrities' or live audience interactivity imho.
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On 2012-01-26 09:41, matt.magicman wrote:
After reading some of the recent posts, I regret what I said earlier, and I'd like to take my previous comments back.
Barry and Stuart should be shot BEFORE Jedward.
They are nothing but talentless, bumbling numpties giving magic the worst possible image.


Horses for courses Matt, but I have seen Barry & Stuart perform on a couple of occassions and thought that they had an excellent, polished act (although not for everyones taste).
I would also not be as quick to label them / be disrespectful, but then I have only watched one episode. I thought that Latimer looked distinctly second class on the one episode I watched, but have seen him (on the web) perform world class magic.

Perhaps the format really can work against the talent.

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The show is complete pants, cringe worthy to watch (if you can) the format is wrong, the pacing is wrong, the celebrities( and I use the word in its loosest sense !) are wrong and the two smug scotts guys don't help.
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I've been really enjoying the shows. The forfeits at the end as well had me on the edge of my seat thinking this is live and what happens if someone really got hurt.

The Magic is usually of good quality and I Do like Pete Firman's original take on some classic tricks

It's not a show for magicians but for joe public and we'll get work from the Interest it generates

Come on. Magic is back live on prime time TV. We need to count our blessings.
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Hate the format with a passion and haven't had much good things to say about this show to date.

However watching a recording of last weeks and cutting out all the guff in between tricks and the forfeit (!!) I thought the quality of the magic was pretty good.

One of the Zelebs (Pete Firman's partner) was actually well into it and did very well ( he was a true assistant)

Couple of dodgy tricks ( thought Pete's drink trick a bit naff ) but all in all some entertaining stuff.

If it was 45 minutes long and they cut out the rotating zelebs, forfeit and phone-in it would be a half decent show.
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Interesting that most of you guys seem to dislike the show, but this is the 3rd page of posts so the BBC will be delighted people are talking about it!

If you do not like it, why keep watching?
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I have to agree 100% with Minty. The show simply stinks!
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On 2012-02-02 15:56, Andy Gemini wrote:
Interesting that most of you guys seem to dislike the show, but this is the 3rd page of posts so the BBC will be delighted people are talking about it!

If you do not like it, why keep watching?


Well there is not much on that time of night (Take me out on the other side) however as we have very few magic
TV shows most people will watch just to see if its good or not

Last Year we had Penn and Teller one of the Best Magic Show's we had seen on UK TV for a long long time

Still it did not stop a few people with very negitive posts even though P&T was 1000% better than Magicians
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I'm seen Pete Firman in one of his shows and he is actually very funny. This show is stifling him a bit I think. He does swear a bit in his live shows which is funny but he can't do that on the BBC.

He didn't bother asking if anyone was a magician and even got me up to help hold things during his suspension finale. Blocking me all the way with me thinking "you don't have to bother, Pete, I'm on your side and acting like I don't know how it's done." Smile

I wouldn't dream of messing up someone else's act.
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On 2012-02-02 15:56, Andy Gemini wrote:
If you do not like it, why keep watching?


We live in hope that we will see something spectacular. Yet end up very disappointed.
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I think the saddest thing about the show seems to be that they are doing variations on the 'same old, same old'. In most of the tricks you can see what's coming shortly after the trick has started - even if you don't know anything about the trick at all. The celebs add nothing to the magic. In fact they'd be more welcome if they weren't there at all. The presenter is getting better - but the format is so hackneyed that he's got nowhere to go with it. If this goes to a 3rd series then they should drop the celebd, have a straight vote between the 3 acts and get the best one to perform another trick - not a variation of "ooooh when you walk on that it's really going to cut you...."

And although it's a bit unfair on the others the only one to consistently do well seems to be Pete Firmin. He's obviously got a great future if he can shine in this car crash of a show.
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As a matter of interest, what do folks think of the Archer stunt at the end on this weeks show (Sat 4th Feb). Not the method (which was pretty obvious - not helped by the woeful direction & camera angles!), but the effect? Seriously, is the public so dumb as to believe even a 'z' list celeb would be put in even the slightest "danger"?
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[quote]On 2012-01-16 13:20, magicphill wrote:
I agree with some of the stuff said above I think there is a problem with magic shows in general in the last few years including Chris Angel etc. A lot of the effects that are presented just simply arent possible without stooges or some kind of fakery. The problem is lay people see this on tv and expect you be able to do something equally as impressive. Take for example the B&S car over the cliff stunt the reaction of the people witnessing it was clearly actors as they would have seen Craig make his escape and get in the helicopter.

Couldn't agree more! When I worked in the States, I teamed up with a respected East Coast Pro magician who was beside himself with dispair over David Blane & his (over) use of multiple takes, stooges & the carefull of "audiences". The best UK magic shows were the late 80's, early 90's The Best of Magic (ITV produced by John Fisher), & Wayne Dobsons A Kind of Magic... very, very few effects requiring preshow, & almost all could be done 'real world'. As for Craig's "escape", yes the camera didn't cut away... but it didn't show much from the knees up during the leg tie part! How handy were those knee pads! Oh, and that hay bale... hmm, strange place to have one of those!!!
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