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DocBenWiz
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On Jan 10, 2017, Vic Nadata wrote:
I, same as the good Witch Doctor, use it with a discard pile. However I do place them in a clear glass bowl. When showing the discard pile, it is very easy to give a quick mix. Always has worked for me.


Same here...always goes, over great. And I do not reveal anymof the Titanic theme until the moment of reveal. Start by handing one of two specs an antique pocket watch as "a token with which you may shortly connect in a manner of intuition" (later at the reveal, after some preliminary comments on the date and significance of the people involved and the "connecting event", described as "used by an officer on the Titanic to time the loading and lowering of lifeboats") and a Morgan silver dollar dated 1898, token, "used by two brothers to flip and decide who would be the last one to board a final lifeboat on which there was only one remaining space"

While specs are looking at final reveal photos (which I obtained as improved by Al Desmond) I pick up discard pile, mixing casually while commenting on the "randomness" of the pile. Discussion afterwards with or without the newspaper article which I also have.
Never been called out and goes over with quite the shocked reaction at the above reveal.

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I've modified how I do this. It is an intuition experiment with a stack of photos of people who have something in common. I keep the 1912 newspaper folded closed in my briefcase or under something else. I took Jamie Grant's advice and go with "does this photo feel good or not-so-good", etc. After the two chosen piles, I elaborate that what the photo people have in common is that they were at the same place, at the same time. Then I take out the newspaper (closed) and SLOWLY open it to the headline. I pay no attention to the third pile (discards) and if someone else does, I just say, those are the ones you didn't feel good (or bad) about. I imagine as if I am Vincent Price doing this in the parlor of a spooky mansion, no one is going to think "magic trick."
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I do this routine with Etherica providing a surprising end. I use a modified version of Bobby Hasbun's Third Death for the name reveal. Has been effective.
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I am happy to say that I have been touch with Jim Critchlow about my personal take on it with my custom cards. He is such a pleasant fellow!

I think the critics are falling into the same trap as many conjurors do. Being self-aware of the effect causes over analysis of said effect. The 2 Card Monty for example! I cannot believe anyone falls for it. But they do. Every. Single. Time.

I have used the discard pile with White Star hundreds of times and have never had anyone figure it out. Is it skill? Confidence? Perhaps my demoniacal supernatural assistance? I would be happy to demonstrate to anyone in Myrtle Beach this weekend.
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Vince, I should have seen your post before ECSS and I would have requested. I have thought about picking up whitestar, but I have a couple of questions: is it a stand alone piece ( seems like it would be a closer in a close up act,maybe?) and how long are your routines? They seem long for close up? Thanks for sharing!
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On Feb 3, 2017, The Supernaturalist wrote:
Vince, I should have seen your post before ECSS and I would have requested. I have thought about picking up whitestar, but I have a couple of questions: is it a stand alone piece ( seems like it would be a closer in a close up act,maybe?) and how long are your routines? They seem long for close up? Thanks for sharing!


I am not Vince, but I will give you my take on it. It can be used for closeup but I have also used it for parlor size magic shows. As far as I can tell,it works best with two spectators at the minimum and the more the merrier. Just a little audience management will work. As for length, that depends upon you, your props, and your ability to tell the story. I prefer a little length in my whether close-up or parlor. I suggest tailoring it for your audience and need and not just perform it out of the box.
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Great to use additional props (like I've bought) l.e an antique pen and old British penny.
Regards

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Great to use additional props (like I've bought) l.e an antique pen and old British penny.


I agree! Use of other props are great, but not really necessary. The less questioning of where I got rare items is better for me. If it doesn't play into the story as an active necessity, I don't use a lot of them. I use a newspaper, a letter, and the cabinet cards. However, an interactive experience, for me, is more valuable. I have questioned for a couple years how I can provide that experience and have come to a solution. For my next presentation I plan to waterboard all the participants after the performance to give them the drowning experience. I just hope it goes better than the buried alive experience I used for the POE Dopps effect last year.
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I was wondering why there was a sudden increase in Café users asking me for my script and graphics.

Now I know.

This topic got bumped recently.

And reading through some of the more recent comments, I see that some people are making us of some of my ideas.

Warms my heart (which I keep in a bottle on my desk).
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I use Whitestar all the time, now with Fathoms, and never had a problem. I bought Chris Philpott's French Post Cards, liked his handling, and use it for Whitestar, too. I love both effects. But I've never had anyone come even close to catching me out. Of course, about every 15 seconds I blurt out a cuss word and slam my fist onto the table for misdirection, so maybe that helps. : /
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I use Whitestar all the time, now with Fathoms, and never had a problem. I bought Chris Philpott's French Post Cards, liked his handling, and use it for Whitestar, too. I love both effects. But I've never had anyone come even close to catching me out. Of course, about every 15 seconds I blurt out a cuss word and slam my fist onto the table for misdirection, so maybe that helps. : /


Thanks, you just made me realize what I have been doing wrong all these years. I usually slam a cadaver head on the table for misdirection. The audience usually says the cuss word. I'll have to try the fist to see if it helps.
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Will, your humor is an acquired taste. You make me laugh more and more. Hilarious. Luc.
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French Post Cards? Now you're talking my language! Added to my purchase list!
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Will, your humor is an acquired taste. You make me laugh more and more. Hilarious. Luc.


Making people laugh is my profession. At least smile big. I lace the suture from the corners of the mouth, through the upper palate, and tie them off in the septum. I can make you smile as big as I want by a simple tug on the suture. Thanks for recognizing my humble expertise.


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The French postcards handling is Jon Armstrong's and Chris Philpott credits him for this.
I also use this handling for White Star and only use 24 cards total.
Works perfectly.
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I really am very fond of Al Desmond's approach.. it actually KILLS with "From Hell "(5th Anniversary).
Although, I recall first hearing about this method at ECSSI, as applied by Paul Noffsiger using The Alchemist Bane ( I don't quite know who was first Smile
The important thing is to choose appropriate "talismans" for them to clutch while "divining" their choices.
One wrinkle I have used is to have them mix up the face up cards like they would when they were Four years old to tap into their inncocent & intuitive selves.
This technique is good w/smaller cards for these OOTW effects.
I do not use this innocent mixing technique w/From Hell BiG 5th Anniversary images..
Good stuff & great results
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Actually, as I recall, Eugene Berger used a "talisman" in the dominant hand while the cards were turned with the "off" hand to keep the spec slow while doing the traditional OOTW red/black effect.
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Re: The discard pile. In the instructions it states,'You now have to somehow mix all the photos in the centre pile.'
I feel rather dirty trying to execute what the creator suggests.
Does anyone have a better and/or more innocent, less obvious handling?
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On Jan 10, 2017, Vic Nadata wrote:
I, same as the good Witch Doctor, use it with a discard pile. However I do place them in a clear glass bowl. When showing the discard pile, it is very easy to give a quick mix. Always has worked for me.


Same here...always goes, over great. And I do not reveal anymof the Titanic theme until the moment of reveal. Start by handing one of two specs an antique pocket watch as "a token with which you may shortly connect in a manner of intuition" (later at the reveal, after some preliminary comments on the date and significance of the people involved and the "connecting event", described as "used by an officer on the Titanic to time the loading and lowering of lifeboats") and a Morgan silver dollar dated 1898, token, "used by two brothers to flip and decide who would be the last one to board a final lifeboat on which there was only one remaining space"

While specs are looking at final reveal photos (which I obtained as improved by Al Desmond) I pick up discard pile, mixing casually while commenting on the "randomness" of the pile. Discussion afterwards with or without the newspaper article which I also have.
Never been called out and goes over with quite the shocked reaction at the above reveal.

Used a couple weeks ago and follwed my above routine up to the reveal of the Titannic connection as I describe above, then pulled out the vintage newspaper and went into the fabulous "Fathoms" effect right afyer, with fantastic reactions and results with my "after dinner" couple!
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Hey there,...For those of you who love the Titanic themed routines,....I noted over on the "big auction site" an offer of Fathoms, along with some relevant props, newspaper/ magazine, ephemera.
I have and love "Fathoms" and recently used it with great freakish results as a follow up to my White star routine.
Looks to me like a good buy. Smile
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