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niva
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I have to say that I am fairly new to coin magic. I just picked a copy of J. Carney's The Book of Secrets at last FISM and would like to try out the Silver and Glass routine.

He mentions "slick" coins. How does one make these? He says one can buy them but I would like to use local money. We will soon be having the Euro coins here in Malta. There is a lot of noise when I slide a coin off the others. Any help would be appreciarted.

Thanks to all of you in advance.
Yours,

Ivan
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Hi Ivan,

Hi Ivan,

The easiest coins to obtain are American silver halves. The walking liberties are always rather worn (though not completely "soft"). If you buy them on e-bay you should be able to get them for a reasonable price.
Soft or worn dollar coins are much harder to get. Since they have hardly any collector's value they are not imported to Europe and the only way I got them was shopping in the US and some complementary coins from Lassen gimmicks.

Funny is that most of the American members of this Café have no idea how difficult it is to get your hands on soft coins outside the US.
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But how about Euros? I would prefer to use something local. Foreign currency might arouse suspicion. Smile

BTW, Dan, it was nice meeting you last July.
Yours,

Ivan
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There's no thing yet like slick euros Ivan. For that you'll have to wait another 80 or so years...
Though I never tried it myself I once heard a magician say that you could spray your coins with something that is used for car laquers. It would fill up the recesses ands make the coin more slick while maintaining the sound. Maybe the suff they use to protect wooden floors would work as well?

I do a lot of coinmagic and I almost never use euros. They are just too small to make a "show". Yes sometimes people ask why I use strange coins but this explanation is always convincing (simply because it is the truth!).

The only thing where you would need normal pocket-change is in something like cig thru coin or coin in bottle.
Coins in glass is a rather formal routine, so I urge you to try larger coins Ivan!

Have fun with it..
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Thanks a lot. Better not wait another 80 years then. Smile
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Ivan
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"Soft Coins" is David Roth's term for what Andrew Galloway called "well worn".

Keeping that in mind... the newer non-silver coins do not wear well.

Using a rock tumbler has already been discussed, as has coating coins with varnish/nail polish to fill in the details and create slicker coins. Making coins into what they are NOT has disadvantages.

Dan, John Ramsay was using well worn Half Crowns, Penneys, and Florins. Europe had silver and copper money in most places for HUNDREDS of years.

Going to current money usually means NOT doing work with soft coins. Simple either-or proposition, unless you are willing to use the rock tumbler or the clear stuff.

Up to you.
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niva
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Sorry, but what is rock tumbler?? Smile
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Ivan
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Sand or grit in water
in jar
motor spins slowly along long axis
for a few days

grade of grit/sand = coursness

used to polish rocks/stones

mostly used by jewlers
...to all the coins I've dropped here
niva
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Thanks a lot.
Yours,

Ivan
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Jon,
For us here in the states the golden dollar coins are pretty soft right out of the box. Might be worth investigating...

BTW, did you get to the CoinVention or LVMI?
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I'll have to try the new sac dollars.
and sorry to say did not make it out to LV.
bet it was quite inspiring and educational.
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Jon ,
I'm aware of the older silver European coins, but they are not as commonly found as older US coins. And you still pay a lot of money for them!
Maybe it has to do with the fact that (at least I was told) American money always holds its value, while a lot of Dutch coins are taken out of circulation when they are replaced and therefore become collector's items, only to be found in coinshops or collections.

Have you actually ever seen a British well worn half crown? Not me ;-)
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Niva;
I posted this last March.....

At times I need to create soft coins from specific coins for accessories to some piece of custom apparatus that I make. On such items, it really is not practical to go to a coin shop for such coins. Many of the coins are too new to be "naturally soft." This method allows control over exactly how the finished coins will look - making matching soft coins possible. I soften the coins myself using the method shown here:
http://www.jamesriser.com/Magic/Softening/Coins.html

Enjoy.
Jim
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If you run into any difficulty convincing your spouse that buying a lathe is a good idea, I have heard (not tried myself) that a knife sharpening stone may be useful. Get some water on the stone, put the coin flat on it, and gently rub in a figure-of-eight on one side, then the other. Not sure how well it works. If you try it, please post your results.

Smile

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I buy soft Silver coins at the local coin shop.

$.50 for about $3.50
$1. for about $7.50
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You can find great selections of old soft coins on ebay. Smile
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niva
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How do you search for them, please?

And thanks to everyone for the replies.
Yours,

Ivan
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On 2003-10-24 04:18, niva wrote:
How do you search for them, please?

And thanks to everyone for the replies.


It helps to know all the names that "soft" coins are called by. I believe the official term is "cull," but they are also called "junk" or "worn." Usually using these words helps turn up good results. Although, many people selling these on places like eBay are not numismatics (coin collectors) and just call them "old." I'm sure there are some other terms out there, but this should give you a start.
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Hey Frank, I can buy silver 10 guilder coins for about 4 euro a piece... just around the street corner, also wooden shoes, french-fries with mayonnaise and, if I'd cared for, a fair deal of "mind-expanding goodies."

It depends on where you live I suppose. Smile
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So, you go to the smoke shops?

On ebay you search for the coins by name, standing liberty half dollar or Morgan silver dollar. Give it a try.
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