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Lou Hilario
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Who invented the Head Mover? Is this an Andre Kole original? There are several effects similar to this such as Nathan Burton's rubberneck.
I am almost finished constructing a new illusion using this principle.
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Head Mover is Koles.
Rubberneck is different method.

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Rubberneck is licensed through Kevin James' I believe. While I believe the only ones to hve permission to Andre's Head Mover is his son, Tim Kole, and David Copperfield.
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I think Kirby Van Birch and Jonh Hirokawa from Hawaii also has the rights.
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When I talked to Andre last year he said that they belonged to Tim and David only. That might have changed in a years time though. There are a lot of rip offs out there unfortunately.
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What constitutes a "rip off"?

For a corporate function this year, a client wanted a kind of "Head Mover" efect in reverse.
A headless body is seen on the stage, and on the other side of the stage is a talking head ( the director in this case).

The body and the head are brought next to each other, and the talking head is slid across to the top of the body ( in full view at all times - no cover) and reunited with the body.
The now complete director stands up 100% back to normal, and is able to carry on with his speach.

Would this be considered a "rip off" or a new effect?
Where is the line drawn?
(The methods ( there are more than one principle used to accomplish this effect) are compltely different to the "Head Mover", and for the latter the head is covered in a box)
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I believe a rip-off would be using the same principle, same look, same method, etc.

There are a good number of illusions in which a person's head is taken off. However, anyone could be able to look and see if it were a copy of Andre's illusion. The look and performance of it.

I suppose you could use the same (or similar principle), but change it to make it your own.
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Egads, the head and body being separate is in "Discovourie of Witchcraft" -- wasn't that printed in the 15th Century? Smile
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Indeed it was!

In Australia, copyright law requires that something only be changed by 10% in order for it to be a new idea!
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From what I remember I thought Nathan Burton invented the rubber neck, that's all I know, sorry Smile
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My Gawd,

A "Rip Off" is when you blatantly try to copy another person's work. Like Sommer's did with Harbin's Zig Zag. If it is a substantial look alike it is a copy. Tube Zag uses a similar principle but it isn't a rip off.

You can't patent or copyright a title, a principle, only a thing. And if that thing is substantially different in look, or design, that is not a rip off either.

If we worry about using principles, magic will come to a grinding halt as there ain't too many of those.
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Wasn't Zig Zag copyrighted until the creator died? and then everyone started rip offs?

Oh and who performed Head Mover on one of the World's Greatest Magic specials if it is only licensed to David and Tim?
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MagicTim,

First of all the zigzag was ripped off before Harbins fantastic book was ever published. In fact that was the reason that Robert Harbin published the book was to acertain his ownership of the illusion. Of course that illusion has been copied soooo many times now.

Second, On the worlds greatest magic performing the headmover is Andre Koles son----->Tim Kole

Hope that helps out!
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I think what your thinking of is Harbin's Zig Zag and his book in where he protects it, you would think that its the biggest rip off illusion in history since in the 60's - 70's professional builder made them and if that's the case we never stop this problem.

The estate would own the rights once a inventor dies. It becomes common domain when the effect can no longer be controlled and becomes common in its existence.
Examples are Smoke chamber and Impaled.
Smoke chamber was controled by Copperfield.
Impaled Ken Whitaker.


World's Greatest Magic it Was Tim Kole performing it.

and
I heard concerns about Interlude, Pole Lev, Origami. My point is that I believe Klamm http://www.klamm-magic.com/ has sold more of the Jim (USA rip off builder) Sommers models more than any one else. I heard the rumors that IBM has stopped Tilford from advertising in linking ring.It appears to me that singling out one is not protecting anything.
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I think Hans Klok and "Seta" or something like that did a version of Head Mover. I can't remember if it was on his special or WGM.
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Thanks for the info. I wish I could have seen Head Mover live. Smile
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Hans Klock did do an illusion on WGM where they cut Seta's head off, but it was nothing like Kole's Head Mover… completely different method and look.

I saw Copperfield perform Head Mover live a few years back (one of the last times before he took it from the show)… amazing to watch live. I'm sure it will be back in the show at some point. I know in the past when David's current props are held up, he will bring out the old stuff, such as Head Mover.
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Yeah, Head Mover was an idea from Andre', and last I heard from him when I asked, only Andre', Tim, and David were allowed. He never mentioned Kirby. I know Typhoon Lou has an illegal copy of Head Mover, he had the nerve to boast about it to me. I also heard that Greg Frewin had some hand in the Rubber Neck Illusion. I heard of a story where Copperfield was doing the head mover and the assistant was injured when I piece of his scenery (the skyscrapers) fell. Who knows if that had any say in removing the illusion and changing the scenery??

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