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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Doc, both look perfectly normal IMO. As for examination, I generally do not allow examination of props. If it is advantageous to perform parts of a routine in spectators' hands, that's about as far as I go.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Specs shouldn't really be examining gaffed coins. If anything I just put them in their hand and ask them what it is, or sometimes for the date on the coin.
It's just a coin as far as they're concerned so they almost never pay that much attention. But at least they've handled it and convinced themselves that all is as it appears to be. I've never handled the half dollar version but was happy to see this available in quarters because I will be doing this off the cuff and quarters are something most people see everyday so there is even less suspicion that they may be "trick" coins and just generally seem more natural. You can always tell the guy that did a little magic in their youth because as soon as you pull out a half dollar their eyes light up with that knowing look. This quarter set is very indetectable, the only downside is the 2 coins cannot be handled by the same person at the same time. |
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
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On Dec 5, 2014, videoman wrote: Just a note to the few who won't figure this out on their own... The same holds true for the half dollar (and dollar if/when they get to it) I also agree with the "normalcy" of quarters but I think most people understand that magicians use halves for visibility (if nothing else) and someone who would be prone to think a half is or could be Gaffed in some way, will also think the same is possible with a quarter. I think it is more the sceptisism of the person rather than the suspicion of a certain coin. I also don't "hand out" coins, cards, whatever for inspection during a show. It just begs for suspicion. But I do, after a show hand someone a coin or a deck of cards if they ask. Often they just want to see a Walker up close and holding one is enough, as for a deck, I just end with a normal deck lying around for the nosey ones
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Dec 4, 2014, J-Mac wrote: I couldn't see why a replacement set was needed if it could just be rethreaded, so thought maybe it wasn't included. |
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
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On Dec 5, 2014, inigmntoya wrote: Inigo, you need to read the whole thread! I'm not returning it because the thread broke. But since I am returning it, I am not going to bother with repairing the broken thread. (Actually I almost did! Just because I've never made a thread repair on a flipper. But I changed my mind. ) Jim |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2350 Posts |
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On Dec 5, 2014, J-Mac wrote: Sorry -- somehow missed the part about the 2nd coin being defective. |
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
PD, I have to disagree with you about half dollars vs. quarters. I much prefer to work with half dollars, but I do feel that people are less apt to suspect quarters might be "trick coins" than half dollars. Also, you can borrow quarters from spectators and then ring a gaff in and out. But you generally can't do that with half dollars; no one would have any to lend!
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
I agree to the extent if you "borrow" the quarters (then wring in the gaff) it is very much less suspect. What I think is, if you present your own coins (whatever denomination) to a person who is the type that is going to burn you bad and be very analytically trying to figure out the "how and why". The coin doesn't make a difference as much as the type of spectator. I have a friend who is a pilot and an engineer (not trains ) and he will watch me do magic for others in the bar but absolutely gets no enjoyment out of the "Magic" part. He is too busy trying to analyze it all. He does enjoy the reactions of others and thinks I am an entertainer - he just can't wrap his head around "believing for a moment". That is the type person I think it makes no difference to.
But as I say, "borrow" a quarter and switch it for the effect. You are absolutely going to convince someone better than "not borrowing a quarter or half". I agree too, no one carries halves (but us) but we are getting more into a "plastic" society where often a whole group might have no cash or change on them.
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Don't spend so much time trying not to die that you forget how to live - H's wife to H on CSI Miami (paraphrased). |
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
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On Dec 3, 2014, videoman wrote: I agree with you. I'm ok with me pullng the coin through and then the participant pulling it throught, but I just can't see a third (first) phase that is virtually the same thing. I'm thinking that just a simple one coin fly from one hand to another, and then let them see it happen. KJ |
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
These are about as examinable as any gaffed coin set ever could be. Very nice craftsmanship.
I agree, though, with the comments against doing three phases. Seems like limiting it to one by the magician and one by the spec will be more than sufficient. Only cautions I want to add are (1) my set doesn't lie flat to allow for phase 2 (the "new handling"), as seen on the DVD, and (2) if the spec is really looking closely, they can see the action happening as the coin is pulled through the silk. That's a speed issue, but it is observable. Haven't tried this out on real people yet, hoping it will fly past.
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
Finally got mine. Wish I had purchased the half dollar version. Quarters are ok but I have big hands and handling is easier with bigger coins. I've seen Mark do this live about 20 times and it looks great even though I know what I'm looking for. Letting spec pull coin through is great and the tactile illusion is nice
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2014, MaxfieldsMagic wrote: If you skip phase I, then the lying flat is not an issue. As for seeing the action, if you use a napkin, bandana, or other cloth, the pulling down of the coin causes the coin to be flipped in the air. The larger motion covers the smaller. I have performed this many times for people and they never see the action. KJ |
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
The band on mine just broke. I have been trying to put a new band on it for an hour and just can't get it. I watched the section on caring for the coin, and it looks easy if you are tying a band around a three inch wooden coin, but it is dam near impossible on a quarter size coin. If anyone has any tips, I would appreciate it.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Did it break during normal use, or were you stretching it out?
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Christian Rey Regular user Magician'y toast...to my 135 Posts |
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On Dec 5, 2014, Poof-Daddy wrote: < Very well said, Sir Poof! =]
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Silver Glove Magic Veteran user Magic... coast to coast, here's to another... 334 Posts |
My question is which is 'better' for the spec to perform (hands on)....I would perhaps guess that if performing for a female spec with little hands, the quarters would be best? But if just performing myself (I have large mitts) would prefer to use the half dollars. Or possibly a male spec with larger hands as well...
Anyone care to weigh in some thoughts on those potential aspects? Or does it really matter at all?
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Whichever coin with which you are most comfortable. No other difference in effect or method - just the coin type & size.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2014, Silver Glove Magic wrote: I prefer quarters, just personal preference. But having said that, even though I have never handled the half version of this gimmick, I believe the half would be easier for both you and the spectator. It's not going to be too big for even an extremely petite woman. Halves are not only larger diameter but thicker as well, which I think would make them a little easier to pinch grip under the cloth for the spec. The half version has another benefit no one has mentioned and that is if you wish to use a different matching gaff coin either before or after, the halves should match fine. The quarter version uses a particular state quarter, which can make it trickier to ring in a different gaff. All my other quarter gaffs are eagle backed. But like I said, I still really like and prefer the quarter version. |
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Silver Glove Magic Veteran user Magic... coast to coast, here's to another... 334 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2014, videoman wrote: < very great points indeed, thanks for the input!
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1KJ Inner circle Warning: We will run out of new tricks in 4385 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2014, videoman wrote: It just broke during normal use. I never stretched it out. I didn't like the first phase that required stretching out the coin. It must have been a defective band. KJ |
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