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I agree that this is a very nice thing for readers to know. Definitely recommended.

But for heaven's sake, don't use the "You will of course have come into contact with coins similar to these thousands if not millions of times during the course of your life" line. I know that people like to use big numbers to make things sound impressive, but some audience members are familiar with numbers, and will immediately recognize this as a claim from someone who has little respect for the truth.

With the possible exception of Scrooge McDuck, nobody (even a lifelong bank teller) has come into contact with coins millions of times during their lifetime. To even suggest that this is likely is to appear foolish to any mathematically informed listener.
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On 2012-02-17 11:47, ddyment wrote:
I agree that this is a very nice thing for readers to know. Definitely recommended.

But for heaven's sake, don't use the "You will of course have come into contact with coins similar to these thousands if not millions of times during the course of your life" line. I know that people like to use big numbers to make things sound impressive, but some audience members are familiar with numbers, and will immediately recognize this as a claim from someone who has little respect for the truth.

With the possible exception of Scrooge McDuck, nobody (even a lifelong bank teller) has come into contact with coins millions of times during their lifetime. To even suggest that this is likely is to appear foolish to any mathematically informed listener.


Conversely, depending on the environment, you could keep the mood light by using "billions, if not trillions. Maybe even quadrillions."

Where the heck are you finding mathematically informed listeners, anyway?!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Where the heck are you finding mathematically informed listeners, anyway?!

In my major markets, those being Silicon Valley (home to Google, Apple, Intel, Stanford, etc., etc.), plus worldwide corporations and trade shows that focus on various high-tech industries.

But that's hardly the point. One should tailor one's performances to the entire audience, not just the mathematically befuddled portion. Even if only one person in the room thinks you're an idiot, that's one that could easily have been avoided (by those who aren't idiots, anyway).
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I was being facetious. And personally, I agree with you; I'm mathematically literate and careful about my claims. But if I had a dollar for every magic or (mostly) mentalism routine that included patter that wouldn't stand up to mathematical scrutiny, I'd have a billion dollars.
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I would advise readers to adapt the wording to suit their performance persona. Smile
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...and avoid pedants...

I shall prove it so...

I am 40 this year, have been working full-time one way or the other since I was 19...we have quite a few coins over here in the UK (too many in fact 1p, 2p, 5p, 10p, 20p, 50p, £1, £2)...

anyway - on average, I'll have around ten coins in a few pockets every day...(ten in total), so lets round things up cos my maths is rubbish...

ten coins time 365 for a year - 3650
multiply that by just the 20 years I have earned those coins - 73,000

and then we can factor in those that work in banks, the jars we keep our coins in and count them up every month or quarter... and for those who work in the Mint...well...

so that covers "thousands, if not millions..." to my dainty ears...

</pedantry>

PS - this is a good, straightforward pocket-sized reading system...
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Iain - you read my mind! Smile

I was just thinking about the money issue raised (the original phrase in the booklet was little more than a throw away phrase to demonstrate how familiar we are with the currency we use) so I pulled out my pocket calculator and came to the conclusion thus: if I started interacting with money in a meaningful way at 16 (when I started to earn a wage), that was 32 years ago. 32 x 365 days = 11680 days that I have been using cash on a daily basis. If I use and receive 4 x 50 pence coins per day on average, that means in my life 46720 50 pence pieces have passed through my hands.

But it was just a throw away phrase. If it doesn't fit right, it's no biggie.
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... in my life 46720 50 pence pieces have passed through my hands.

My point exactly. And at that rate, if he manages to live a mere 1,344 additional years, he'll be able to say "millions".

But I hope nobody takes my caution about a non-essential line to be a critique of Paul's very worthwhile piece. As I said in my first posting, I unhesitatingly recommend it to anyone interested in readings.
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...and avoid pedants

The attempt to portray me as a pedant ("one who unduly emphasizes minutiae in the presentation or use of knowledge") suggests a belief that such minutiae are insufficiently important to consider.

In my contrary view, however, taking obsessive care over minutiae is precisely what separates an acceptable performance from a great one. I know full well that such an opinion is not commonly held by Café participants, though also that an extremely good book (by Ken Weber) has been written on the subject, so I am not entirely alone in my concern.
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Ah but in turn to dismiss mine (or others) for offering a contrary opinion and indirectly suggesting that if anyone disagrees they are not a great performer but only a lowly acceptable one; just means that there is no room for a discussion - merely sides to pick and be labelled as right or wrong...

one of the most common jobs is a cashier of one sort or another - though I have no stats available to me, I would be willing to wager at least £1.25 that they handle millions of coins over a relatively short space of time...i guess its about knowing the audience to some degree?

oh and doug - I wasn't referring to you as the pedant, but the people in the audience who would go away and do the maths...(and myself for doing the quick sums)...
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Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents (sorry, couldn't resist)...

A cashier could easily handle millions of coins during their lifetime. If you just assume they only touch one roll each of pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters each day, at 5 days a week, for 50 weeks a year, for 40 years, that is 1.8 million coins. And from my brief experience, when I was a cashier I handled way more than 180 coins a day during a typical 8 hour shift.

Perhaps this is more a socioeconomic issue. People with more financial status (i.e. your silicon valley types) are more likely to pay with plastic than actual cash/coins. The poorer of our society "pinch pennies" and are therefore more likely to come in contact with them.

In the end, though, this is all silly in regards to this topic. Paul's work is awesome and is not detracted in the least IMHO with this statement, which ultimately bears much truth.

On another note, has anyone had the opportunity to use this effect yet? What kind of responses did you get?
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I will be using it tomorrow evening...with an alternative version of my own that has rumbled away in my head sine reading paul's work...which is always a good sign, cos it means its fired up my brain...
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On 2012-02-17 16:44, MissMage wrote:
Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents (sorry, couldn't resist)...

A cashier could easily handle millions of coins during their lifetime. If you just assume they only touch one roll each of pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters each day, at 5 days a week, for 50 weeks a year, for 40 years, that is 1.8 million coins. And from my brief experience, when I was a cashier I handled way more than 180 coins a day during a typical 8 hour shift.

Perhaps this is more a socioeconomic issue. People with more financial status (i.e. your silicon valley types) are more likely to pay with plastic than actual cash/coins. The poorer of our society "pinch pennies" and are therefore more likely to come in contact with them.

In the end, though, this is all silly in regards to this topic. Paul's work is awesome and is not detracted in the least IMHO with this statement, which ultimately bears much truth.

On another note, has anyone had the opportunity to use this effect yet? What kind of responses did you get?


DD said:

>>>> I agree that this is a very nice thing for readers to know. Definitely recommended.

He never alluded to the phrase detracting from this routine.

Read the posts.

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On 2012-02-17 16:03, ddyment wrote:

But I hope nobody takes my caution about a non-essential line to be a critique of Paul's very worthwhile piece. As I said in my first posting, I unhesitatingly recommend it to anyone interested in readings.

Not at all Doug, and your endorsement is much appreciated.
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Paul always encourages the readers of his works to adapt his methods to our own styles and personas, but perhaps that is only clear to those familiar with those works. I as well, respect and applaud Paul’s gentle guidance with steering his techniques in psychologically, emotionally and spiritually positive directions. We can still have the façade of spookiness, mystique and phantasmagoria while caring for our participants’ well being.

3 COINS 4 YOUR THOUGHTS is a wonderful and undoubtedly effective method for once again establishing connection with others through the mystery entertainment arts. Well done, Paul!
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A few words I say about coins, the first section is close to how I introduce a coin reading.
Not having seen Paul's work on the subject, I cannot be sure I will fit.

The second part is specific for the ancient coins I carry.

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On 2009-11-28 21:21, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
Coins, they travel in your pocket, with you during times of happiness and sadness, joy and grief, elation and depression. They are used to pay for things you want, items you need, gifts, debts, and are handled and rubbed together when you realize you don’t have enough to pay for something. They are the first form of payment many of us received, and as children, our secret treasures. Coins are in contact with us when during our emotional periods, and also when we ponder our hopes and dreams. Coins are also well traveled. It has been estimated that a single coin will exchange hands over 100 times in a year, absorbing the energies of the hopes and dreams, thoughts and wishes, experiences and losses of these people. Coins become psychometric batteries over time. Imagine how many hands a coin passes through in 10 years, and all that it is exposed to. Now make it 50 years, then 100. Imagine where these coins have been and the stories they could tell. Now times that by ten, make the coin 1000 years old, now make it older, make it 1500 to 1700 years old. Back to the Roman Empire, imagine what they may have been exposed to, the tens of thousands of people who would have come in contact with them.
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If I use this I won't introduce the coins at all. They're just coins.

But they don't need to be - it's only the values that are important. You could use banknotes, poker chips, playing cards or business cards with numbers written on them, for example.

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I would say (personally) no to the poker chips and cards in this instance...but maybe with the notes...

I think the good thing about this, is that coins have an inherent value, but also a comfortable tactile quality to them... as well as we've all experienced saving them as kids, the joy of getting them as pocket-money and so on...and for me, being able to help someone make a wish for themself is a potent thing...
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I missed the ultra bargain price as have been away, however knowing the quality of Paul's offerings it will be worth the asking price.

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Yes people, although the super ridiculous offer price of £1.25 has now passed, the PDF is still available for the still-a-real-bargain price of £5 at http://www.readerofminds.co.uk

Some people have asked if this is just another take on the I-Ching. I can categorically say that no elements of the I-Ching are included in this reading system. However there is no reason why you could not include a bit of I-Ching should you wish! Or even a touch of coin magic!! "This coin represents your dreams. And here, see how I make it disappear?! I have stolen your dreams and have placed them in my invisible sack of dreams. What do you make of that, eh? Eh??!"
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