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On 2012-03-31 19:57, edh wrote:
...and you could probably train a monkey to push the paypal button if you gave him enough bananas/magic tricks. Smile

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On 2012-03-31 20:00, Atom3339 wrote:
Bats, I really want it to work out for you guys. The reason I wasn't involved from the start is because they are not including Coin Magic. After all the questions here, I would have been hesitant. WHY couldn't they have had trained monkeys start the business side from the beginning???


I think they did. Smile


And I understand ALL of the negative comments and feelings. I did not jump into this with absolutely no uneasy feelings. I was wary, and I did not like some things that they have done. I actually started to join 5 separate times before finally hitting the "pay" button on the sixth attempt. Each of those 5 times something bothered me about the payment process (too complicated to explain it all). And I can tell you that I have circumstantial evidence that others did exactly the same thing (again, too complicated to explain). But I had faith in PayPal's ability to get my money back if it was a scam, which I never actually believed. I have seen several people on this thread claiming to know that the stuff that RS has is VERY NICE. I'm looking forward to that. I EASILY buy 4 $35 DVD's a year where the effect looks great and promises are made (No IT! Completely examinable! Etc Etc Etc); but when I actually buy it and watch it, it goes into my "unusable" file for various reasons. Yes, I do have an "unusable" file! Do I expect to use all of the things that I get from RS? No I don't. But I expect to use several, if not many. Only time will tell. Several will be good enough for me. And let me tell you, Atom, I am mostly a card guy. Card magic WILL NOT be a primary focus of RS. That's OK with me- I certainly don't mind expanding my horizons. I only have 3 coin tricks in my actual performing repertoire, but it's really only because it's hard to keep up with everything, in addition to the cash that must be spent to broaden your horizons. If I knew a guy like you that would show me how to do more coin tricks, I would do more coin tricks! I also have a slightly crippled non-dominant hand, which makes it difficult to do certain things. But now I will be getting at least 12 new tricks in the coming year. I won't know what they are before I get them. But for $12 a trick, I can take that chance. But I expect to use several of them. If they are that good, I will use them. If they aren't, I won't be back next year. We will certainly let you outsiders know how happy or unhappy we are! But I guarantee that for every positive review, there will be a negative review. All tricks are NOT for all magicians, are they?
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On 2012-03-31 21:11, Xiqual wrote:
Aww man. I received a refund notice from Real Secrets today. It said "Not available to your area."
I won't do the "sour grapes" thing. I am truly let down. I do think it will be great and I wish I was in on the deal. Hope you all enjoy the fun.


James, I am TRULY disappointed for you. I KNOW that you are a talented magician, and NOT a counterfeiter. But I did somewhat predict this a few pages back. Lets face it- China is the hub of magic counterfeiting (yeah, I know you are in Taiwan!).
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On 2012-03-31 09:50, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
So, is Hank Lee associated with this?

Well, it would explain why the person(s) behind Real Secrets have worked so hard to stay anonymous! Smile
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On 2012-03-31 21:33, BatsMagic wrote:
James, I am TRULY disappointed for you. I KNOW that you are a talented magician, and NOT a counterfeiter. But I did somewhat predict this a few pages back. Lets face it- China is the hub of magic counterfeiting (yeah, I know you are in Taiwan!).

If that's their reason, they really ought to make an exception for James. He's a legit professional magician!

Come on, RS people!
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On 2012-03-24 14:29, BatsMagic wrote:
I'm going to make one final observation here today, and then I am on my way out for the day. The RS Team has stated that your payment is only an "application". What are they to base their approval or denial on? I believe that the vast majority of the applications will be accepted. I believe and hope that most "applications" from China will be denied in an effort to stop counterfeiting. James, I can clearly see that you should be an exception to that statement; and, lets face it, Taiwan is NOT China. My comments have nothing to do with you, or any other legitimate magician from the far east. But we have to face up to reality- that is where all of the counterfeiting is going on. That's what I would do to try and prevent unauthorized copies from hitting the market. To be fair, though, it is probably unlikely that the counterfeiters are yet aware of this project, and they would probably be reluctant to take a chance on an unknown thing. But they are certainly not stupid, and can see an opportunity to make some money. I'm sure that this post will provoke a number of comments, both positive and negative. I'm not trying to stir up the pot like sirbrad, but those are my feelings on the subject.


I'm just posting my comment from March 24th concerning applications from China!
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On 2012-03-31 21:37, FrenchDrop wrote:
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On 2012-03-31 21:33, BatsMagic wrote:
James, I am TRULY disappointed for you. I KNOW that you are a talented magician, and NOT a counterfeiter. But I did somewhat predict this a few pages back. Lets face it- China is the hub of magic counterfeiting (yeah, I know you are in Taiwan!).

If that's their reason, they really ought to make an exception for James. He's a legit professional magician!

Come on, RS people!


And I agree, FrenchDrop!
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As we tick down the days and minutes I am getting more and more excited by the idea of finally hearing what the business scope, arches, intent, directions, limitations, freedoms, etc., will be. That may be as exciting as anything else in the package.
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On 2012-03-31 21:11, Xiqual wrote:
Aww man. I received a refund notice from Real Secrets today. It said "Not available to your area."
I won't do the "sour grapes" thing. I am truly let down. I do think it will be great and I wish I was in on the deal. Hope you all enjoy the fun.



"Not available to your area" can only mean one thing. "Your area", James, is China. I have to assume that you have a working mail system. So what else could it be?
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I bet it gets "fixed" for James
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Tom Jorgenson- I sent you a PM. View ASAP!!!!
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I just want to warn members of Real Secrets- The only way to contact the people at RS is by using the "Contact" button on the left side of the screen. Any other message you post will be a PUBLIC message viewable by all members of RS. You actually can modify the posting long after you make it, but avoid having to do this! BE ADVISED!!!! I made this mistake and posted my delivery address in what I thought was a private message to RS, and so has one other person. So be careful!
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Does the public message still work? I can't get to it anymore Smile
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YAY!
Just got a letter from RS. it was a mistake. I am in the system again,lol!
thanks for all the well wishing.
James
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Batsmagic,
I live in Taiwan, Taiwan is an island. It is NOT China. china is communist, we have elections here. we can leave the country here. We can argue with the police here and not get beaten down. Oh, what's that? In the USA you cannot argue with the police? Hmmm,mm you must live in China then. I wonder if your RS will get cancelled?
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
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RS just canceled my subscription because I didn't eat my broccoli. Smile
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James- I do realize that very well. I did make a comment about that to you a week ago, where you thanked me for recognizing Taiwan as being separate from China. But I felt it was the proximity thing. James, I'm THRILLED for you!!!!!!!!!! You are a professional in every sense! I was JUST ABOUT to post a response to newguy's comment about them straightening it out for you when I saw your comment. I was going to say that I DID NOT think that they would straighten it out, because they do seem to be both a little difficult to contact and a bit stubborn. But here I am, proven wrong! I contacted them last Monday about my order, and have not received a reply yet. I don't really need the reply at this point. But they should have contacted me!
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On 2012-03-31 22:26, FrenchDrop wrote:
RS just canceled my subscription because I didn't eat my broccoli. Smile


Come on, FrenchDrop- you know that you never applied!
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On 2012-03-31 22:15, newguy wrote:
Does the public message still work? I can't get to it anymore Smile


Go to the "Current Subscriptions" section; click on "Real Secrets" (the only thing you can click on!); then you should see an "Add a new comment" tab. That should do it!
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On 2012-03-31 22:26, FrenchDrop wrote:
RS just canceled my subscription because I didn't eat my broccoli. Smile


Come on, FrenchDrop- you know that you never applied!

Well, yeah -- that was probably a factor in their decision, too.
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Can you still access it? It is locked to me
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I think it's locked for everyone. I went to the login site and it says "Member logins have been temporarily disabled. Please try again later."

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