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Magicsquared Inner circle 1262 Posts 
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On 2012-04-06 09:20, Michael Jay wrote: Quote:
On 2012-04-06 10:40, GaryLee wrote: What are you two talking about? The opinions of people have been all over the map with the first effect. Some have said it's great, some have said they won't use it. Who has gotten kicked out for saying they don't like the effect? I didn't like the first effect released. I thought it was clever and well produced, but it's not something I'll use. But that's okay, I didn't sign up for this thinking I was going to get 12 effects that would immediately slip into my repertoire. If after a year has passed I don't get a handful of effects that are usable for me, then I'll cancel my subscription. GaryLee, the reason people make fun of you on this thread is because you say idiotic stuff. You were talking about how RS was a scam at first. And then how they certainly had a lot of "hackers" breaking into the website. For some reason you're desperate for this to be anything other than what it is. We get it, Gary, your self-esteem is in the gutter. So you look at everything through that prism. And so you can only fathom people joining a trick-of-the-month club because they want to "feel like they are a part of something special." But for most people -- or for me at least -- this is just a matter of being interested in magic, and liking tricks and the thought behind them, and that there is no other deal in magic where you can get a NEW, unreleased trick, with props, from some of the great minds in magic today, for $12 a month. That's all it is, Gary. |
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts
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Gary is what happens when Bradley grows up.
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts
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On 2012-04-06 10:08, GaryLee wrote: Excuse me!! Could you be so kind as to quote one post of mine on this thread, or any thread for that matter, where I called someone a name. For some reason or another you seem to be quite bitter Gary and also weaning blinders as you only seem to see the “negative” side of things. Lighten up my man...life is much too short. 
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2012-04-06 03:57, Jamie Ferguson wrote: I think Jamie must think he found a 'Real Secret' and that he's 'outing' me by repeating my name. Like I wanted to keep it a scret or something. I'm not sure, just a little wierd. |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-04-06 13:32, rockwall wrote: Surely not...if he really thought you wanted to keep your name a secret, and he posted it here in the public forum...well, that would be really uncool and creepy.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2012-04-06 02:38, Ray Chelt wrote: I don't mind someone having a different opinion and not wanting to get involved. In fact, I see more variance of opinion in those who have joined Real Secrets than the other way around. Some liked the first effect, others not so much. I'll say that it was essentially what I expected. Not the 'effect' itself, but how I thought I might feel about it. I never expected anything that would change the world but I thought it would be fun to get a new 'secret' on a monthly basis. I'm not sure I'll use the effect at this point but it's interesting. Better than a lot of stuff I've bought after reading the reviews and less so than many others. If that sounds a bit 'bleh', than RealSecrets is probably not for you. I find it fun, nothing more. I don't think it's the 'greatest thing to happen to magic in a decade!' and I never expected it to be. Now some here have said they don't like the way it's marketed, some have said they want to wait and see, and some have said it's just not for them, they'd rather buy something that they know what it will be. I respect those opinions. But others, a few here and a few over at the Magic Bunny, have stated loudly, over and over and over and over again, that it's a scam, it's dishonest, that people buying into it are dupes or worse. They've created all kinds of conspiracies about it in their minds and shared them with us ad nauseam. They’ve said that no one is saying the first trick is the greatest thing they’ve ever seen so that proves everything they’ve said. They’ve claimed that people can’t give an honest opinion about it so that proves everything they’ve said. They’ve said that people won’t say anything bad about it because they want to justify their purchase, they’ll get kicked out, etc. etc. In other words, they spend more time justifying their own opinion than anyone else. And as far as people over their not being bullied out of their opinion, be careful. If you disagree with them, they may just invent a conspiracy about you and use that as justification to kick you out. Now if you see that as balanced views, more power to you. I see it as childish one-upmanship. with us ad nauseum. |
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sevenup Regular user South Carolina 180 Posts
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I just read through the magic bunny thread. Yes there is lots of speculation but isn't that what this thread is all about. I don't care if some of them are against RS or not. Each will have their opinion, and they are entitled to it.
Pick a card, any card at all. Just don't pick a RED spade.
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duanebarry Special user 883 Posts
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Being able to do an effect only a limited number of times, after which refills cannot be made but can only be purchased from Real Secrets, is disappointing.
I vastly prefer props which are durable or replaceable. |
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newguy Elite user 411 Posts
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Duane,
Ever used a mouth coil, flash paper, slush powder, an elastic loop? Many great magic props and effects require you to use up materials during performance. My experience has been that spectators really respond to seeing something being used up for their entertainment, even if it is something as simple as cutting a piece of rope or asking them to sign a playing card. They feel like an investment was made on their behalf and for their benefit. Not hard to understand the psychology. I have no problem with this being a consumable, and I only hope that I can get plenty more. |
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts
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Not to worry. I expect to be disappointed somewhen, too, this year. How can they possibly they know what we specifically like? Luckily there's only 3 more weeks till the next shipment. Can't wait...so far so good!
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10929 Posts
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Jeepers - a lot of negative karma on this thread! Yikes!
Thought I would visit and see if anything interesting or constructive was being discussed. Never mind.
Creator of The SvenPad Supreme(R) line of aerospace level quality, made in the USA utility props. https://svenpads.com/
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duanebarry Special user 883 Posts
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When buying those props, we know up front that they are consumable, and we can make informed choices on whether to become dependent on them.
Informed choice is impossible with Real Secrets. This is probably the crux of my reaction: Since I've blindly given them a considerable amount of money up front, I don't like feeling as if they're already seeking to tap me for further streams of revenue. |
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Magicsquared Inner circle 1262 Posts
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On 2012-04-06 18:42, duanebarry wrote: You're probably going to want to ask for a refund for the rest of the months you're subscribed for. By definition the gimmicks we'll be provided with each month can't possibly cost more than a few dollars to produce. So it's likely that future gimmicks will be things that will get used up or worn out eventually. Even a gimmicked card has to be replaced after a few dozen performances. So if you were expecting a life-time supply of gimmicks or something the quality of a Todd Lassen flipper coin each month for your $12, you'll probably be similarly disappointed in future months. |
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newguy Elite user 411 Posts
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Duane,
Can you imagine if they tried to make that particular, incredibly accurate and realistic item reusable? Do you think their design was intended to take a favorite of Tamariz, Ricky Jay and Dai Vernon to a new place or was it to gouge you on refills for a trick that could have been manufactured otherwise? Is it worth $12 in fun, cleverness, novelty, value? If no, fine. Different strokes. If yes, is your complaint that the item, which is by its very nature used up, something that gets used up? Magicians can be a confusing bunch. *squeek* |
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts
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On 2012-04-06 18:41, saysold1 wrote: Well ya got that pegged right Brett. Negative karma seems to be beating the crap out of anything constructive here albeit there are a few who seem to be keeping their collective heads screwed tightly on. Admittedly mine right now could possibly use one twist to the right. Might be best to check in one year from now as I'm sure this thread will still be going on if one bothers to separate the chaff from the wheat. Well...that is if this thread isn't either locked or deleted.
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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duanebarry Special user 883 Posts
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Actually I thought it seemed substantially more contrived, suspicious and fake than the standard approach to the effect, which is one that I like very much. So I don't agree that making it into a consumable effect is any sort of improvement.
If the next few installments similarly appear to be a Sample-Consumable-of-the-Month, I will very likely withdraw from Real Secrets. (Well, unless one of them turns out to be as cool as flash paper.) |
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Joe Roberts Special user 946 Posts
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On 2012-04-06 18:10, duanebarry wrote: Hi Duane. I'm not sure I understand your complaint. Can you give an example of a durable/replaceable prop that you thought you might be getting at your cost of $12/month? I'm trying to wrap my head around what you could have been expecting. |
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duanebarry Special user 883 Posts
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Many props can have home-replaceable elements which can be readily found at a hardware, craft or office supply store. Threads break; rubber bands snap; carbon paper gets used up. These would be home-replaceable.
"Real Secrets" suggests information and principles. I'm less interested in a Toy-of-the-Month club. |
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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HOLY GRAIL! I am not currently a member, but one of the best things I see about joining is, you are essentially talking about giving up a pack of cigs a week, or a dozen beers a month. This has to be one of the best bargains ever for those who want someone else to select their magic. I think we should support RS and give them a chance to establish a new marketing idea, rather than try to kill them as sprouts. Good for those who took the plunge, good for RS!
Jim
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Joe Roberts Special user 946 Posts
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On 2012-04-06 19:38, duanebarry wrote: Oh, I see. When I read their original post here it was clear you'd be getting props every month for a new trick. (as they wrote: "You'll get magic with receipts, gum, photographs, jelly beans, Rock Paper Scissors, Scratch Cards, diets, coins, brain power, drawings, ads, ropes, and so much more.") And that's what I ended up getting so I was pretty satisfied. I guess I wasn't expecting too much in regards to "information and principles" for 12 bucks. So it's all about expectations. I don't think you're going to find a lot of stuff with gimmicks you can make at home because those effects could all be put in a book or magazine and then you'd have people here complaining how they thought they were going to be getting custom gimmicks that they couldn't make at home. But I don't really know. Maybe we will see stuff like that. I would agree with others who say that this project might not be right for you. I just don't like seeing people disappointed. You strike me as someone who gets disappointed easily. Your complaint, which boiled down to, "I didn't like the effect, and you can only doing it a certain number of times." Is almost a magic version of the old joke, "The food is terrible... and such small portions!" |
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