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Richard Kaufman Inner circle 2547 Posts 
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"I'm puzzled as to how somebody subscribes for a lifetime and it turns into 4 years."
Simple: The Genii Archive as a separate product (that is, available to non-subscribers) ceased to exist. So I refunded what I felt was a more than fair share of James Linn's money--$150 out of the original $200, since he had access to the Genii Archive for 4 years. |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts
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On 2012-02-28 16:23, Richard Kaufman wrote: Hmmm my worry would be that it appears to have "ceased to exist" retrospectively. Somewhat akin to me opening my magic drawer and finding nothing there any more because the sellers had decided that the product I thought I had and owned has ceased to exist. Spooky. Was this some kind of quantum subscription ? |
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts
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Ray,
The archive does indeed exist, and it is free to anyone with a subscription to Genii Magazine. But I think you know that and don’t really care because you have found another thing to chew on. I guess we'll now hear about this until the next "bone" gets your attention. Jim |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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I wrote that I received a refund. My point is you still have the forum, you just decided to change our agreement.
Those are the facts of the matter. James Quote: On 2012-02-28 14:20, Richard Kaufman wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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No one has been "sorted" Ray. I was merely stating what happened. Kaufmann coming here just verifies what happened.
As far as me being "stupid", the only stupid people are the ones that make up their minds before they hear the issue. James Quote: On 2012-02-28 14:30, Ray Chelt wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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James...did you real *all* of Ray's post before you replied?
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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My question is, I have some things with a 5-year guarantee. What does that reduce to??
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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OOPS, sorry Ray. I did not get the nature of your post. Time difference here!
James Quote: On 2012-02-28 18:26, FrenchDrop wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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It is tough to "feel sorry" for a site lacking information, is a security risk, and wants your money, yet wants to do whatever they please with it on their terms. I think it would be hilarious if this whole thing was nothing more than a fake offer to show just how gullible many magicians are, and how quick they are willing to throw money down on something blindly just to get their "magic fix". It is tempting even for me, but with no information and how the site is being ran I will keep my money. If that is what they what they want, great. But the cusotmer is always right not a shody, shady website. I would not be surprised if you got a package and it contained a letter that said, "The only Real Secret here is that you just got scammed. Be more careful of your purchases next time."
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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If that happens, Brad, you just made yourself the prime suspect!
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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"The only problem from my point of view is the "quiet" way in which they've made it mandatory to subscribe for a minimum of two years.
Either tell us we have to subscribe for two years or don't make us subscribe for two years. And I'm only using "two" years as an example. What if I wanted to cancel the automatic payment during year two and am told I can't do that--it has to continue for year three or I won't get the rest of year two?" That is another thnkg really putting me off the recurring billing. That is BS and illegal. So yeah it is not "only $144" after all it is actually $288. Unless you cancel at the exact right time.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-02-28 20:02, FrenchDrop wrote: Lol. I am proud to say I am in no way affiliated but they may steal my idea. But now that I see how easily magicians will buy something based on hearsay and speculation, it gives me a lot of marketing ideas.
"My major issue is that the seller demands a HUGE amount of trust from the customers: - Seller remains anonymous - Seller won't describe what is being sold - Seller demands customers not describe what they've received AND the seller GIVES ZERO TRUST BACK to the customers, not trusting them to renew without being locked into auto-renewal. If we give that much trust to the seller, do we not deserve some trust in return?" Exactly.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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Funny thing is that the Real Secrets team thought this was going to be so easy, and so many people would purchase blindly, which they have; and I bet they thought they would be laughing all the way to the bank. But the "secret" nature of the website and lack of information is actually working against them now and making many want refunds. If this had been treated differently I am sure it would have been a big success. But their shadiness is placing a huge dark cloud over the seemingly sunny parade. Their greed is going to work against them, and maybe even expose illegal business practices.
Apparently they don't know how to run an honest business, so that would explain why they would not want to be known. And if they are "unregistered" can any of them be held accountable? Just too many "secrets". I don't doubt the material is great, and if it were released differently without all this crap I would have tried it. But I feel insulted as a potential customer by too many shady undertakings taking place.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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On 2012-02-28 19:39, sirbrad wrote: That would be pretty funny. I'd be happy to pay $144 just to have that story to tell the next 40 years. |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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Richard Kaufman,
You are so incredibly arrogant it is amazing! Good deed? You cancelled our agreement with no warning to me. I found out on my own when I tried to log in. I NEVER would have paid $50 a year for your service. Even $50 for four years, which I hardly ever used really. I thought lifetime for $200 was good but other than that I did not care. You advertised the deal, I agreed, signed to your terms, then you want more money so you cancel and give me back $150. All the while telling me to become a subscriber and I can still use the online forum. Sure, YOU think it is a good deal. YOU broke your promise and now try to make me look like a jerk for complaining about it. You are the one that cannot keep a promise. James Quote: On 2012-02-28 14:20, Richard Kaufman wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3007 Posts
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On 2012-02-28 23:46, Xiqual wrote: Gotta go with James on this one. No reason that Genii couldn't have honored both the subscriber deal and the previous lifetime memberships. Kind of reminds me of an interview with a Senator on NPR last year - the interviewer was asking how a current settlement with Native American tribes squared with existing treaties. The Senator chuckled and said, "Matt, those treaties are pretty old. I'm not sure they're valid anymore."
Now appearing nightly in my basement.
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-02-28 21:49, Zombie Magic wrote: I am sure you will also have the same recurring payment for 40 years lol. Would also be funny if the message said "You silly, self-righteous, impulse buying magician! Just how many tricks do you really need? Go pick up Tarbell. That is your secret for this month." "Oh yeah one more thing, I have a golden bridge in Africa to sell you also if interested." I bet they also send an empty box, which would enrage many magicians. Until they have to chase down the garbage man to dig it out of the garbage truck in search of the hidden card gaff that was placed inside the cardboard.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts
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Or better yet, Real Secrets is being brought to you by.......
Val Valentino
Et tu, Spartacus?
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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Ha= "by jove, I think he's got it!!"
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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On 2012-02-29 09:51, spartacus wrote: At least it would be by someone that actually performs. On his Fox show, when he vanished that little red silk, I freaked out. Then he tipped it. I never thought a forklift behind a curtain could do that. Went right out and bought one. |
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