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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Bràth 3639 Posts 
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I remember being scammed by http://www.forworkersonly.com
Anyone remember that? An idea by a magic 'name' that ultimately failed to deliver what was promised. However I obviously haven't learnt anything. I signed up for Real Secrets after Michael Weber sold me on it in Blackpool. Once bitten, twice a fool? Hopefully not.
When the chips are down, the duvet is uncomfortable.
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Markymark Inner circle 1776 Posts
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Workersonly.com was'nt a scam.$20.00 for a year of tips,reviews and great jokes from Michael Close was very far from being a scam.
Even Paul Wilson and Michael Weber popped in there. I know it was supposed to run longer but I easily got $20.00 worth from it over the course of a year. Yes $20.00 was all it cost. I bought the great joke book and I saved and printed off a lot more jokes as an 'extra' to the book.
''In memory of a once fluid man,crammed and distorted by the classical mess'' -Bruce Lee
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Bràth 3639 Posts
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Looks like you were the lone voice...
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=60 Let's get back on topic though. I'm looking forward to my first Real Secrets package.
When the chips are down, the duvet is uncomfortable.
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Bob_Hummer Special user 841 Posts
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It would have being nice if the Michael Close site had lasted longer since I really enjoyed being a member. But for the time I was there it was worth a lot more that $20. The real rip-offs in magic are the crappy over-hyped downloads.
Anyway - sorry for going off topic. I just think Michael has done a lot of good for magic. And to use that forum to attack him is unfair since most of the members were pretty happy with what they got. He became editor of MUM, and life got in the way. These things happen. Besides - 20 bucks? I don't think anyone got rich off that site... Joe |
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Markymark Inner circle 1776 Posts
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Exactly.Thank you Bob,I'm not a lone voice. Let's get back on topic...in a month! When there will be something worthwhile to post!
''In memory of a once fluid man,crammed and distorted by the classical mess'' -Bruce Lee
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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I bet also there will be a "Real Secrets Masked Magician" on youtube who reveals what you get and the secrets behind them. It would just be too tempting not to.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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The best thing about all the secrecy: Those of us who are too cautious with our money to jump blindly into this deal will never know what any of the subscribers got for their cash...so we'll never be in a position to regret not having subscribed.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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edh Inner circle 4697 Posts
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20 bucks for what? He bowed out after how long?
Aw...yes though we forgive and forget. So now it's 144 dollars plus auto renewal for an extra year, that nobody knows what is in store for them, and nobody says they remember how they got ripped off before with mags and subsriptions. Nothing to know what you get, nothing to know who is behind this. I've got to say magicians are the most easily fooled...more so than there audience. 
Oh well...
Magic is a vanishing art.
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shaunproof Loyal user Parts Unknown 233 Posts
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Why take the risk? I'm sure we can all easily find a way to spend $144 on something we know we'll like, that's possibly better.
I don't get it. To be exclusive? To know something someone else doesn't? Speaking of subscriptions, anyone get Penumbra lately? That had some "names" behind it. Magicians are the biggest suckers out there. |
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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Well, I have certainly added my skepticism to the mix, but would never imply that those who go for this are "suckers", especially those on this forum. We should thank Steve Brooks for letting us "vet and vent" this topic unhindered.
Lot of savvy folks take big, big risks everyday. Bungee jumping comes to mind, or the stock market. For me it has been a steady list of "calculated risks" that so far haven't killed me (so I must be getting very, very strong). If you do the research, know the risks, know the rewards, and make your choice, you have done the best any of us can do. I have been "back and forth" and now feel I will not participate. But I wish only good things for those who do and certainly respect their decision. Jim
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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RNK Inner circle 8276 Posts
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I sure hope it works out for all you who subscribed. I just can't see some of the creators putting their names on the line to do bad bussiness. Who Knows though, Nothing surprises me in this world now. But I am just wondering why some of the contributers are not posting? Any thoughts?
RNK
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts
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Umm..secrecy?
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-03-01 12:31, RNK wrote: Thing is, they're just contributors. They don't have to have bad intentions for the deal to go bad. In fact, the anonymous people behind Real Secrets don't have to have bad intentions, either. History's full of well-intentioned projects that never got off the ground or died an early death because of unforeseen circumstances. Do any of the Real Secrets people have experience with publishing in general and periodicals in particular? Having worked in publishing and as the editor of a national, monthly magazine that's still going today (when its two top competitors have been gone for a few years), I saw a lot of other magazines fail because the people involved underestimated the expense and effort of putting out a monthly publication. So Real Secrets doesn't have to be a scam to end badly for subscribers. If, god forbid, that happens, the question will be whether subscribers will get their money back -- or if they'll even know who to contact for a refund.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Brad Burt Inner circle 2675 Posts
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Everyone knows that this is NOT a magazine....right? This is like ordering 3 or 12 magic tricks and getting them one per month for 3 or 12 months...right?
They have the entire first year in the can. Most of the manufacturing is done, etc. It's not like 6 months in they are going to have to look around for something to toss together. Everyone gets that, right? This is has spun off, kind of logically, into the failed magazine thing, because that's the most common form of subscription in the industry to go belly up, but Real Secrets is NOTHING like that. Best,
Brad Burt
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slyhand Inner circle Good ole Virginia 1909 Posts
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On 2012-03-01 15:24, Brad Burt wrote: So you are saying that there will only be one trick sent with each issue? Do you know this or is it a guess?
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-03-01 15:24, Brad Burt wrote: Really? It's something that will have to be edited, printed, and distributed on a monthly basis. Real Secrets even refers to the product as "issues." How is that not like a periodical? Has Real Secrets said they've got a year of material actually manufactured and ready to ship? When and where did they say that? If you have information that they've actually got a year's worth of stuff sitting in a warehouse somewhere, ready to go, I'd love to see where they said that. But if it's all ready to go right now, why is nothing shipping until April? And how do they know they've manufactured enough to meet demand? And if they've made too much and won't be offering back issues to anyone, will they be destroying all of the unsold material they've already manufactured? I think it's much more likely that Real Secrets meant they simply had a year's worth of contributions lined up. That's the impression I got. The most I've seen them say about production is that they are "finalizing" the first year's production. I don't know what that means -- it's pretty vague -- but it makes much more sense to me that they'd use a "just in time" manufacturing model to be sure they make enough product for all subscribers without wasting money making a lot of extras. I'm open to any evidence to the contrary, but if you have none, then isn't it just wishful thinking on your part that Real Secrets has a year's worth of product manufactured and ready to go?
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts
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From their post in the PM thread by Steve Brooks:
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The material is planned out for two years and we have manufactured, printed, and have the material for the first year in final production. Sounds to me like they have the first year's products ready and the following year's planned out. I'm looking forward to this! As for the auto-renewal issue, I already have a few subscriptions like that and it isn't difficult to manage them or cancel at each renewal period. Shoot, Dropbox does the exact same thing and I would bet that a lot of the same folks complaining about Real Secrets have a Dropbox account and haven't complained about it. If you go and cancel Dropbox's auto-renewal, they immediately change your Pro account to a Free account and you must get all files over 2GB out of there or eventually lose them. Jim |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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I still can't help wondering what "in final production" means, if everything's already printed and manufactured. :razz:
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts
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Usually, it means quality control. Once a trick is manufactured, a second set of eyes may take a look to give the stamp of "final production"...
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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I'm also still curious about the inventory question: If they have a year's worth of product already manufactured, how did they know how much to make?
Have they made enough product for all subscribers, or will they have to go back to press to meet the demand? And if they've overestimated the number of customers, does that mean they'll be sitting on a full year's worth of overruns they'll have to destroy (since they're not offering back issues to anyone -- not even subscribers who lose an issue)? If so, will they lose money on the first year? And if they do, will they be around for a second year?
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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