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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 11:24 am 0 Quote: On 2012-03-05 00:59, Howie Diddot wrote: Quote: On 2012-03-04 10:05, sirbrad wrote: Quote: On 2012-03-04 08:34, Howie Diddot wrote: I asked this in the PM Broadcast message, but then decided to ask it here as well. Do you think in the future it is possible that the Real Secrets Team will introduce a feature that includes allowing a magician to present the routines in a public show with an additional performance fee payment? Why would you not be able to present them in public? Even though most who buy this want it to fool magicians, you can present the effects anywhere you want to. Otherwise what is the purpose of the effects? To just show magicians? You don't have to raise your fees to show the effects. Are you wanting to send Real Secrets "tip money" for them "allowing" you to show such secretive material, which is the entire purpose in the first place? You can see just what confusion and idiocy this product causes. It is prettty sad how magic thieves are releasing a lot of DVDS now and say that you do not have performace rights to the material, and you have to buy more stuff later. But they conveniently leave this information off of the DVD until they get your money. See the Wizard Product Review for more examples. They want you to just watch the secret and then use the DVD as a coaster. This is a line crap and the most stupid thing I have ever heard of. If I buy a DVD to learn material nobody is going to stop me from performing. So yeah, "back up that truck" Sean Scott. I should have been clearer on my point in my original post. The best way I can explain it is to have you click on this link and read the “legal notice” of the purchase of the routine, it states that the routine can only be performed live and not on television or on video without written permission. or in a case of additional fees having to be paid. They want MORE money for free National TV advertising? LOL!! Well not exactly since you are not allowed to say what the effect is, or where you got it from. So what is the problem? Yhey are shooting themselves in the foot with their own rules now. If I buy an effect or material I am going to use it anywhere I *** please, otherwise they can keep it. The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 11:25 am 0 Quote: On 2012-03-05 13:05, spartacus wrote: Someone posted, Kaufman I think, that they have already manufactured a years worth of apparatus and gimmicks. How would they know how much to manufacture if they are just now taking memberships and people are still signing on? Are they only taking a hundred people? Or what if they set their goal at 250 and only 100 signed up? That does not make good business sense that they have already made more than what they are going to distribute. Oh well, April is only a month away and I'll be watching my mailbox. I don't think they have as many as they claim. I am betting they are making them as they are ordered. Nothing they are doing is good "business sense." That is the problem. The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 11:28 am 0 Quote: On 2012-03-05 15:29, Ray Chelt wrote: Quote: On 2012-03-05 14:20, Jamie Ferguson wrote: I've just spoken to someone directly involved in the project and if what they said is true (and I have no reason to doubt them) this 'punt' will turn out to be worth far more then the risk involved in subscribing blindly. Those who refuse to sign up on principle will be kicking themselves. One of the most hysterical things about this now is the sheer number of people who have spoken to somebody at Real Secrets and have the inside info. I spoke with God last night and he told me not to order. You will have to take my word for it, don't order or you will kick yourself later. I wonder what one has to do in order to be so lucky to have spoken with Real Secrets? The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 11:55 am 0 He that would keep a secret must keep it secret that he hath a secret to keep.
shaunproof Loyal user Parts Unknown 233 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 12:35 pm 0 I spoke with someone directly involved with the project too. I bought him a hamburger -- he's going to pay me back on Tuesday.
sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 12:58 pm 0 Seems like by contacting "select people" that Real Secrets are breaking their own rules. I probably have millions of effects contained inside of all of my books, VHS's and DVDS collected over 32 years. So I am going to be kicking myself if I don't add 24 more? I would think the opposite. Any of that material, esecially the best of it could have been used to package up some Real Secrets if I got the permission of the creators. Or you could just steal them like some do and add some "twists" to them and hope no one notices. Also if the price is only "$12.00" a month then let me pay via paypal each month with the option to cancel or not buy the next one anytime that I want, instead of charging for a full year with a recurring payment. They won't do that because they want all the money up front, and they are making them as they get orders in. But they want to keep that a "secret." The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
slyhand Inner circle Good ole Virginia 1909 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 01:29 pm 0 I wonder what is better... To have a boat load of books with millions of tricks that one has not yet read or getting one trick a month that one will most definitely anticipate and read. I guess it's all a matter of perspective. To each his own. I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath. Alec
todsky Inner circle www.magicstore.ca 2370 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 02:37 pm 0 I stand corrected; if there is indeed a physical prop each month (and not just a double-faced card!), then it sounds like a worthwhile venture for me. And I enjoy surprises (especially the good kind). Todsky's Magic Shop: over 15,000 tricks, books, DVD s and Card decks. www.magicstore.ca
Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Bràth 3639 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 03:37 pm 0 Quote: On 2012-03-06 06:28, sirbrad wrote: Quote: On 2012-03-05 15:29, Ray Chelt wrote: Quote: On 2012-03-05 14:20, Jamie Ferguson wrote: I've just spoken to someone directly involved in the project and if what they said is true (and I have no reason to doubt them) this 'punt' will turn out to be worth far more then the risk involved in subscribing blindly. Those who refuse to sign up on principle will be kicking themselves. One of the most hysterical things about this now is the sheer number of people who have spoken to somebody at Real Secrets and have the inside info. I spoke with God last night and he told me not to order. You will have to take my word for it, don't order or you will kick yourself later. I wonder what one has to do in order to be so lucky to have spoken with Real Secrets? If that is God's will then I will comply. I have just cancelled my subscription via PayPal. When the chips are down, the duvet is uncomfortable.
Chessmann Inner circle 4180 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 05:01 pm 0 Quote: On 2012-03-06 06:28, sirbrad wrote: I spoke with God last night and he told me not to order. Funniest post in the topic My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 05:25 pm 0 See? God answers all our prayers. We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 06:46 pm 0 In a situation like this, I ask myself, "What would Houdini do?" Honi soit quit mal y pense.
sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 06:50 pm 0 Quote: On 2012-03-06 08:29, slyhand wrote: I wonder what is better... To have a boat load of books with millions of tricks that one has not yet read or getting one trick a month that one will most definitely anticipate and read. I guess it's all a matter of perspective. To each his own. Easy the books and DVDs. Way more value for the money. I have not gotten to them because I have already gone through 1/4 so far, and I have been using the same material for a long time. An amateur/hobbyist learns a lot of effects to perform for the same people, a professional performs the same effects for different people, and a lot smoother. My current repertoire is so strong that I don't need to learn a "trick a month." So yeah it is all about persepective. The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 06:51 pm 0 Quote: On 2012-03-06 10:37, Jamie Ferguson wrote: Quote: On 2012-03-06 06:28, sirbrad wrote: Quote: On 2012-03-05 15:29, Ray Chelt wrote: Quote: On 2012-03-05 14:20, Jamie Ferguson wrote: I've just spoken to someone directly involved in the project and if what they said is true (and I have no reason to doubt them) this 'punt' will turn out to be worth far more then the risk involved in subscribing blindly. Those who refuse to sign up on principle will be kicking themselves. One of the most hysterical things about this now is the sheer number of people who have spoken to somebody at Real Secrets and have the inside info. I spoke with God last night and he told me not to order. You will have to take my word for it, don't order or you will kick yourself later. I wonder what one has to do in order to be so lucky to have spoken with Real Secrets? If that is God's will then I will comply. I have just cancelled my subscription via PayPal. Nice, it was suposed ot be a secret though but oh well. The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 06:52 pm 0 Quote: On 2012-03-06 13:46, billmarq wrote: In a situation like this, I ask myself, "What would Houdini do?" He would escape quickly to avoid the recurring payment. The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 07:00 pm 0 Quote: On 2012-03-06 13:46, billmarq wrote: In a situation like this, I ask myself, "What would Houdini do?" Probably a mediocre bit of conjuring... ducks for cover
sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 07:10 pm 0 Mediocre or not, he proved that great 'presentation and showmanship' will make you the most famous magician/escape artist who ever lived, and one that everyone still talks about. So I think he accomplished his goal and then some. A lot of "magicians" said he was mediocre because they were jealous of his rising fame, and that was about all they could attack since he went to dooing mostly escapes. The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 07:17 pm 0 I'm particularly fond of his debunking of spiritualists. And yes, a wonderful performer without any doubt.
sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 07:21 pm 0 Yeah he set the trend for debunking, and made that popular as well. The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts	Posted: Mar 6, 2012 07:25 pm 0 I think debunkers predated Houdini by several millennia. Plato was fairly popular, and is still talked about today.
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