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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts 
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On 2012-03-11 00:26, Zombie Magic wrote: Selectivity is great if you're sure you won't be left out. But that requires having some idea what the club's standards are. What are the standards for Real Secrets? Who's going to be accepted, and who's going to be rejected? What are the standards by which one "potential member" becomes accepted and another is rejected? It'd be nice to know that, surely. However, given that "Real Secrets" has only posted three times on this board and doesn't seem big on addressing the concerns of paid customers -- sorry, "potential members" -- or prospective customers, I'd recommend that no one holds his breath for an answer. Quote:
Let's keep the faith! At this point, "faith in what?" is the question. Faith that the product will be worth the money? Or faith that, at the end of March when anticipation is at its highest, you'll get something more than a rejection and a refund (and be one of those who got more for his money than the privilege of briefly loaning $144 to Real Secrets)? Come early April, will paid subscribers to "Real Secrets" be divided into people saying "I just got my first shipment, and it's great" and people who just got a refund (after a month of excitedly waiting for their surprise package) and have to wonder what those who were accepted got -- and why they weren't accepted? At this point, I think one of two things is true, neither of which is encouraging: Either the Real Secrets people planned all along to reject some "applicants" after hanging onto their money for weeks (or more than a month), or the Real Secrets people have belatedly realized they may have bitten off more than they could chew, and they're now playing up the exclusivity angle to explain why they're going to have to turn away some paying customers. Either way...the emperor's clothes are starting to look a little ragged.  I sincerely do hope that those who actually do get something out of Real Secrets get what they were expecting.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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slyhand Inner circle Good ole Virginia 1909 Posts
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The only standards I see is the terms and conditions that one clicked to agree with in the first place.
They can't change the conditions after one has agreed and paid. I am sure the only reason someone from the RS team wrote that is to stir up more controversy and speculation. Publicity, publicity, publicity.
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.
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todsky Inner circle www.magicstore.ca 2370 Posts
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Maybe it really is an elaborate April Fool's joke: On April 1st everyone gets their money refunded, and Real Secrets remains forever a Real Secret.
Todsky's Magic Shop: over 15,000 tricks, books, DVD s and Card decks. www.magicstore.ca
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1639 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 06:41, FrenchDrop wrote: And don't forget Groucho Marx: "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member". Mike |
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 08:05, slyhand wrote: Actually - it was only after a person prominent in the magic business reported that he had canceled the dubious "recurring payment" on his Paypal account after being accepted as a member, and several of us then did the same, that the RS people decided to no longer live up to their advertised "one time annual fee." So yes, they did change the rules. Some of us have already been kicked out.
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 09:47, billmarq wrote: Bill, I can understand why you say it but "kicked out" and similar phrases really wind me up in this case. There's a fantastic bit of psychology here where the EReal Secrets team (unknown) are selling a product or products (unknown) and are managing to get magicians to think that Real Secrets are doing them a favour by allowing them to join --incredible. They want your money --this isn't some piece of altruism. Frankly the idea that they can take your money and then decide (for reasons unknown) that tyou haven't been accepted is a joke. I'd be really keen to know what the criteria for acceptance is before I ever let them have my money. |
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GaryLee Loyal user 275 Posts
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I thought I would have fun with this. Since they want to be so secretive, I thought I would become a part time investigator. It's been really fun so far, and I would like to thank realsecrets for making this interresting.
I was accused some time ago by realsecrets (specifically one person in general) of lying about making an order, and requesting a refund. I proved that he was lying. Cameran says they might have made a mistake, and not known someone had already given the refund. Well, I gave him the benifit of the doubt to at least apologize if it were a mistake. It was no accident folks. He blatantly lied about me, and I haven't forgotten about it. Now, that I have two names that are involved with realsecrets, I plan on having some real fun. Oh, also folks, it should be noted that nothing in their conditions is legally binding. Their terms are not even legal because it can be interpretated in several different ways. Mostly for their side, not the customer. I know of someone who is now waiting for approval of membership. A few people have joined just to debunk this thing in April.This might be the reason why they keep changing their rules, which also makes any terms or agreements to be not legally binding. I'm not involved with that, but I am at the moment waiting to see if the person (s) behind realsecrets will be respectfully be paying their taxes. I'd hate to see them get audited. Come to think of it, that could be just as fun as figuring out who is behind realscrets. The only reason why I'm not throwing one name out right now is because I do have a little respect for this person and what they are going through. Realsecrets, no secret anymore. I can't wait until April! |
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 06:41, FrenchDrop wrote: Another possibility: If there are not enough subscribers to "make their nut", they can quietly and easily fold their tent and who would know? Everybody gets a refund and assumes they were rejected, creating a "real" secret as no one is left to tell or are sworn to absolute secrecy!
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts
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Last time I was promised a "happy surprise" was many years ago.
From a stunning young woman. It did not turn out the way I thought it would.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 08:05, slyhand wrote: From the terms and conditions: "You agree that your membership may be canceled for any reason by Real Secrets and any existing prorated subscription will be reimbursed if you are not in violation of Terms and Conditions." No time element is mentioned. So anyone who paid for a subscription (or "applied for membership") agreed up front that Real Secrets could nix the deal at any time and for any reason.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-10 18:33, Real Secrets Team wrote: What do you mean HIS? Are you implying that girls are not gullible enough to join?  Keep making me look good Real Secrets. Now I know why they don't say much because the more they say the less "wise" people want to join. Notice how they change the terms anytime they want, or keep info from those who already paid? Kinda scary, I wonder how many other changes will be magically applied later? So there is pending memberships now? I can't belive there are so many suckers falling for this. That it is an old marketing tactic, make people feel "exclusive" and "special" and they will continue throwing you money. Also used in a lot of SCAMS. You have no criteria to even make such a judgement, all you have is an address and email from paypal. But I bet those "approved" will assume that they were somehow one of the "elite few" because someone did some "secret" research and found out just how special they were, and approved immediately! When in reality anyone who pays will be "selected". This offer is a joke and wreaks of foul play.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 12:53, Atom3339 wrote: Now, if she's promised you a "happy ending", maybe it would have turned out differently. |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-10 19:35, FrenchDrop wrote: Did you finally wake up and lift those blinders up and let the light shine in? Who is the foolish teen now? I hope you sent in your money. No one will be rejected unless they can't fulfill the orders, and that is the ONLY reason. They are simply telling you that so you feel special once you are "accepted". So many gullible magicians here, I hope it is just because they are "teens" who know nothing about scam artists and life yet. But this will your wake-up call.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-10 22:34, insight wrote: That is yet to be proven, could be a lot WORSE later. Some people are going to be REAL ****ed when they cancel their membership 3 months in, and you never find out what that useless, strage little prop did.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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(or more than a month), or the Real Secrets people have belatedly realized they may have bitten off more than they could chew, and they're now playing up the exclusivity angle to explain why they're going to have to turn away some paying customers. BINGO! OK so there is some hope for you afterall.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 08:05, slyhand wrote: Well scam artists do this all the time. Legitimate compines don't. Now you know the REAL reason they don't want anyone knowing who they are. That way no one will comg knocking later on looking for their money they were scammed out of.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 08:34, todsky wrote: I thought that as well bt did not want to say anything. But a lot of people would be really ****ed. Well at least about 300 people would really ****ed, and 5 Platinum members.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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JeremyM0411 Special user Moody, Alabama 608 Posts
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Ok, I have not commented on time on this thread but here we go. How can a company take your money and you have to wait and see if you get the item? This goes back to simple contract law. In a contract both party's have to give a little to get something. Once you agree on the terms and you sign the contract, or in this case pay the money, neither party can not change the terms of that said agreement. Well once they said Applicant that changed everything! So when you agreed to the terms and they changed them now they are null and void! You can't change terms every five mins and expect people to follow them. So all that about not posting or commenting about the material or posting videos no longer applies! I bet within 2 hours, if you end up get anything in the mail, this will be all over youtube! They should have made you submit a applicant form and if you are accepted then pay then! Not the other way around! I hope everything with this pans out for everyone.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 13:16, sirbrad wrote: Quote:
On 2012-03-11 13:25, sirbrad wrote: :rolleyes: 
Oh, Brad. If you were interested in reading anything other than your own countless, verbose, incredibly arrogant and condescending posts in this thread, you'd know I haven't signed up for anything, and that I've expressed doubts about Real Secrets from the very start. That, however, shouldn't lead you to believe you and I have anything in common here. Despite my doubts, I'm not on your "side" -- I'm not interested in dividing this matter into sides -- and given your manner, I wouldn't want you on my side anyway. Quote:
Who is the foolish teen now? You really shouldn't toss softballs right across the plate like that, Brad.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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It's not a get rich quick real estate scam. It's just some magician(s) trying to do something different and fun. I don't really care at this point about their business model. In about 3 weeks what I do care about is the magic I receive. If t's a plastic toy with a single sheet of poorly written instructions, I'll know it's not for me and I can get a large pro-rated portion of my money back.
Personally, I feel it's going to be a fantastic piece of magic not available for the masses. |
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