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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts 
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On 2012-03-11 14:40, Zombie Magic wrote: ...assuming your "application" is accepted, that is. 
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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newguy Elite user 411 Posts
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I wonder if the people running it actually read the stuff we write on here and other boards? There are a handfull of folks I'd kick out for bad attitude alone. I realize I got booted becuase I messed with their model. They gave me the "opportunity" to reapply (they actually used the word reapply in the email to me) but I figure I can wait to see what people are saying after the first prop arrives.
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 11:38, GaryLee wrote: Why all the secrets? Secrets exposing secrets? 
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 14:59, newguy wrote: I think if the Real Secrets people see a post by someone whose attitude they don't like, they'll be looking at someone who didn't sign up in the first place -- so they won't have to worry about rejecting that person. Matching message board handles to subscribers' names would likely be problematic anyway. When you say you got booted because you messed with their model, do you mean because you disabled the auto-renewal dealie via PayPal?
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 14:59, newguy wrote: Some say attitude, namely the sellers and blind supporters. Others say informed, competent, cautious awareness...and openly expressing their opinion. If they want to "kick out" those it is no loss. But then again that group will not join anyway. Also how will they be able to tell who is who? I am sure not everyone has their forum name in their Paypal address. Unless Real Secrets are psychic.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 11:38, GaryLee wrote: Out of curiosity, how could you possibly know that?
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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newguy Elite user 411 Posts
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Tom, there's lots of ways to know many things, but the reality is that folks have their panties in a bunch over buying a magic trick every month.
To answer an earlier question to me, yes, when I read about shutting off the autorenewal on this very thread I went in and did it too. I am amazed and not at all surprised how crazy we have all become by being turned into laymen again. I remember going to real magic shops where there were mysteries and secrets that the magician behind the counter would not sell to a customer who was, in his opinion, not ready. This might be too optimistic, but what if that is what these people are trying to recreate? Can you imagine how batsh*t everyone of us is going to go if these tricks turn out to be anywere near as good as we are imagining? What if only 200 magicians in the world had the Invisible Deck or Extreme Burn? I might be talking myself into putting my money back in with a new "application" before April rolls around. I think the Jedi mind trick is working on me. |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 13:35, FrenchDrop wrote: OK well if you ever want to come over to the "brighter side" you can pply at anytime. However the terms of the form can change at anytime and you may be rejected. OH I get it, you like to swing both ways. That way if this falls through you can say "I told you so", and it is successful you can say "I told you so" and that way you fit in with either crowd. Are you going to be running for office soon?
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 15:32, newguy wrote: I don't think that's optimistic...I think it's unrealistic. How are the Real Secrets people going to determine which of the people who signed up on their website are "ready" for what they're selling and which aren't? Assuming this whole thing of paid customers suddenly becoming "applicants" isn't just a ploy to make Real Secrets seem exclusive and drum up more sales, there are very few standards they can use to decide who's accepted and who's not. They have no way of knowing your level of magic knowledge or competence; they can have no idea what your ethic as a magician is...all they know is that you agreed to their terms and you apparently have at least $144. If they reject anyone before the first items are even shipped, the most likely reason will be that they didn't have enough to meet demand -- or, as someone else suggested, that they didn't get enough subscribers to make the project profitable, and they're canceling the whole thing.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 15:35, sirbrad wrote: Actually, I like to avoid extremes, because -- as I suggested in a very early post on this thread -- extremes are almost always wrong. And I don't like being wrong, so I avoid saying things that might make me look foolish later. I understand that some people don't mind looking foolish. Some people even have a knack for making such extreme statements that they look foolish long before they can be vindicated or proven wrong. But I'm not naming any names, Brad.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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Bottomline: Don't buy an invisible product from an invisible company with invisible terms that are subect to change. That is the REAL secret here. Even more hilarious I had some offer to buy this for me if I would just shut up.
But I declined and stand my ground as that is not the issue, I can buy this if I wanted to. The issue is the whole deceptive, misleading business practice behind it all. I don't want to see a lot of people get ripped off. Many here are too blind to see my real intentions, but some actually can. I don't like people being taken advantage of by swindlers who think that everyone will fall for their marketing schemes.
Maybe this product is not a scam as far the the tricks, too soon to tell. But the business practices wreak of scamming, or incompetence and ignorance. I am not the villain here. It may come as a shock to many, but I actually hope it works out for all who buy it. I am just stating my opinion and what I have seen based on a lot of experience. Later.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts
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How utterly patronising. Public defender #1, sirbrad. Perhaps I need to go back to Roget, perhaps irritating boor is synonymous with helpful.
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 15:49, FrenchDrop wrote: "No risk no reward." I would rather look really great or really bad than just in between and mediocre all the time. I stand firm in my beliefs regardless of circumstance or fear of looking bad. So maybe I am the REAL one who is actually living? But in this case I am simply adhering to common sense, and common business sense.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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And the way RS has it all set up, no one can be proven wrong even those who say it is scam. The buyers cannot show the effects nor discuss them. Nor can they relish them or talk about how great they are in detail. So you won't be able to prove it either way. I wonder how long RS took to figure this BS pitch out? Obviously it works on about 300 people. But it will never work on 30,000 or even a 1,000 I would bet. Thank God. Enjoy your Real Secrets!
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sevenup Regular user South Carolina 180 Posts
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I think this thread would be so boring if it wern't for sirbrad. I nearly coughed my lungs out on the following quote:
"Bottomline: Don't buy an invisible product from an invisible company with invisible terms that are subect to change." I have a cold right now so the lungs are not doing so well.
Pick a card, any card at all. Just don't pick a RED spade.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 15:59, sirbrad wrote: Do you really think, after the volume of posts you've made here and the tone you've taken in them, that you could possibly "look really good" to anyone? Even if you're completely vindicated, do you honestly believe you're going to come out of this smelling like a rose? If so, that's the first really funny thing you've said in this thread.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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newguy Elite user 411 Posts
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Sirbrad, I may have it all wrong, and I am sure you will tell me if I do, but my outsider's understanding is that the big issue is exposure, not expression of satisfaction or dissatisfaction.
Everything they have written is consistiant and unchanging in their promise that all folks have to do is ask for a refund and they will get it. Is there anyone who asked for their money back and has not received it yet? Garylee, did you really send them money and then not get it back? I am a bit confused by what you did or did not do to test their honesty. |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 15:59, tomsk192 wrote: Not really, I never attacked anyone I only made jokes about the alleged product. The supporters quoted and attacked me constantly, so then I "defended" myself. But that is the nature of the green beast and I expect it after all these years.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-11 16:07, sevenup wrote: Thanks, my posts can be healing or kill you.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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MickNZ Special user Auckland, New Zealand 576 Posts
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Getting back on topic ...
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