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On 2012-03-13 00:25, Michael Jay wrote:
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On 2012-03-12 21:40, writeall wrote:
I have seen a lot of promises in this thread about reviews after some material has been recieved. That won't help. Good or bad, whatever comes in the mail will be something others can't buy anyhow.

"I got this really wonderful thing from Real Secrets."
"Really? What was it?"
"Can't say, but it's wonderful, top drawer!"
"How can I get it?"
"You can't. It's gone for good."
"Can you show me a video of it so I can see the effect?"
"Sorry, no."
"Oh. Well in that case, let me tell you about this really great meal I had in Tibet before the Chinese got there..."

Not necessarily so. Even if the product is fantastic, there will be those who simply are not happy with it. They will cancel their membership and, more than likely, they will be vocal about what they received. They will also be prepared to sell the material that they received and, since they no longer are associated with it, they will happily tell everyone what it is that they are buying.

Furthermore, the internet is filled with people who have names that keep their real identity a secret. Some of them will buy into this with no other intention than exposing what they get. This is what feeds their ego (like that sirbrad chap that doesn't know how to spell the word, "reek," when it is related to smell).

Mike.


Sorry, unlike you I don't use a spell checker to find typos in order to try and impress other old men on a magic forum. If that is all you can come up with you "reek" at personal attacking. Nice pic though, was that you back in 50's?
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On 2012-03-13 00:31, Michael Jay wrote:
By the by (and sorry for the double post) has anyone considered the possibility of buying this and simply not opening the package when it comes? While at this very moment that doesn't mean anything, 20 years from now it could be a real collector's item.

Just a thought.

Mike.


Yeah great idea! Buy an invisible product from an invisible seller and then never even open it. Collector's item? I doubt it. Maybe to a few on the Café forums. By that time no one will know or care about it. Also someone could easily reseal the package and claim it was never opened, and no one would be able to compare it because of the limited product. I am surprised a great spell checking chap like you would be so dense.
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A spell checker won't help you - it isn't poor spelling, it's ignorance. "Wreak" is a word (as in "wreak havoc"), so spell check will let it pass. You actually have to know the difference between something that reeks (as in smell) and something that wreaks (as in to inflict). These words are something called "homophones."

It's not an attack on you, it is an observation.

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On 2012-03-12 21:06, DelMagic wrote:
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"If you want what we're selling, you have to agree to let us automatically charge you another $144 next year."


This is simply wrong. They don't get to automatically charge everyone, only those who agree to let it go or forget to turn it off.

And obviously they're counting on a significant number of people agreeing to let it go or forgetting to turn it off. That's why they've made turning off automatic renewal a deal-breaker.

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No, there is no "guaranteed" injection as has been explained multiple times in this thread. People can turn it off and cancel at any time. If it is a lousy program, the renewal money will be slim to none.

Come on -- you don't think they can safely assume that most people who are still subscribers in about a year are going to continue subscribing?

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In general, I think it is common for subscriptions to paid for a year in advance for material that is sight-unseen.

The comparison doesn't really work. How many publications require you to subscribe before you can get a look at what's on offer? Yes -- when you subscribe to Magic or Genii (for example), you have to pay a year's subscription fee up front. But both publications also let you buy single issues any time you want and get a feel for their quality and content before plunking down a year's worth of money.

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You simply don't know this. It is your assumption. No one claims this is non-profit or a great charity but claiming money is their PRIMARY motivation is overstating it based on what we know at this time.

This is just semantics. If Real Secrets loses money for its proprietors -- or if it just breaks even -- do you think they'll keep putting in the time and effort involved in acquiring, manufacturing, and distributing their product?
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On 2012-03-13 01:00, sirbrad wrote:
I am aware what each means and their spelling, I type fast and sometimes may post a similar word, or maybe I post spelling errors on purpose so that certain chaps with no life get off on correcting them, and feel important? Or maybe to give them a chance to continue impressing other old men with their cognitive dissonance, and verbose rhetoric that is pointless on a magic forum; other than a feeble attempt at disinterested superiority? But I guess some reclusive misfits need to feel like they are part of the crowd.

You make no sense. You claim I use a spell check and attack me for it. Once I point out that I'm not using a spell check, you claim to know that...You also call me verbose, but my posts are much more concise and to the point.

What does sour grapes have to do with this? And rhetoric?

You, sir, are a laugh.

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I am aware what each means and their spelling, I type fast and sometimes may post a similar word, or maybe I post spelling errors on purpose so that certain chaps with no life get off on correcting them, and feel important?

Holy lord. Can't you just admit you were wrong about something? Smile
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On 2012-03-13 00:31, Michael Jay wrote:
By the by (and sorry for the double post) has anyone considered the possibility of buying this and simply not opening the package when it comes? While at this very moment that doesn't mean anything, 20 years from now it could be a real collector's item.

Just a thought.

Mike.


Mike, interesting thought. I can imagine how fun it would be to go in the attic 20 years from know and open a chest and dig through and...see what all the fuss was about.

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I hope so. Surely they are.
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Except that I don't care if they believe me or not. I have paid my $144, and I am SUPER DUPER EXCITED!!!!!!!!! YIIIIIPPPPEEEEEE!!!!!!

There is no way anyone can rain on my parade.

I have no idea what will come from this, but I am giddy like a school girl. Hey, I think someone actually called me that before.
James aka "giddy schoolgirl"

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On 2012-03-11 22:37, Xiqual wrote:
I will post if I think it is good,great,so so, but I will not tell anyone what it is or describe the effects in any way.
That's the deal. People talk. If you tell your best buddy, he will absolutely tell his best buddy. I will keep the secret absolutely.
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ok, I'll tell my wife but she will NEVER tell.


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On 2012-03-11 20:49, Atom3339 wrote:
James, Will Real Secrets prevent you from reviewing their products / effects on this forum?



That may sound great for "you" but others would simply be annoyed and not take your word for it. In fact I would not even bother reading a review telling me how great "something" was with no evidence, or description of the items. That is almost as bad as buying "something" that I do not even know what it is. That is just silly. So any reviews will be pointless, and non one will care anyway because you can't prove how bad or good the item is. Any gleaming review would just be nothing more than an attempt to showcase that you have something others don't. But if they can't see it, or know what it is the review is not credible and not worth reading.

Also Real Secrets is not reading all these posts, they only check their paypal account often.
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Actually, it seems RS has created one of the most spirited threads in a long time. Although a few posts have gotten a bit too ad hominem, it has been a fun ride. Hopefully the banter will continue.

Have to admit a touch of jealousy over those who are so excited and anticipatory- giddy is hard to come by, and one of life's best gifts. Enjoy!

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Hey, X', send me $144 so you can be even happier!
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Wish I could. I'm not that solvent, YET! If this was 2010, I would not even be watching this thread. 2010 was the worst financial year of my life.
In the holiday season, I did 2 shows! Usually in that 2 week period I will do 25-30. It was a killer. We were scraping to get the mortgage payments. Things are finally better and cash flow is coming around. I think correction is on the horizon.
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Hey, X', send me $144 so you can be even happier!
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
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On 2012-03-13 19:01, Xiqual wrote:
Wish I could. I'm not that solvent, YET! If this was 2010, I would not even be watching this thread. 2010 was the worst financial year of my life.
In the holiday season, I did 2 shows! Usually in that 2 week period I will do 25-30. It was a killer. We were scraping to get the mortgage payments. Things are finally better and cash flow is coming around. I think correction is on the horizon.
James



Crap.....maybe I had best move to Taiwan! Between the gas prices and the property taxes on my home (amongst other numerous taxes here) I should have never retired when I did! It's been seven years now and things are progressively getting worse.

I've not jumped into the RS for obvious financial reasons, but just reading along with inquisitiveness. With that said, it would be much easier reading if some certain member here would stop with his never ending childish rants and showing his true age. Smile
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On 2012-03-13 19:48, gaffed wrote:

...it would be much easier reading if some certain member here would stop with his never ending childish rants and showing his true age. Smile


Gaffed, I'll try to make my posts more positive!

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Zombie beat me to it! Smile
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...it would be much easier reading if some certain member here would stop with his never ending childish rants and showing his true age. Smile


Gaffed, I'll try to make my posts more positive!

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Well, I can assure you that I certainly was not referring to you're posts my man! I'm quite confident that everyone here knows who I was directing my comment to. Well, except for perhaps the one I was referring to as his head has gone to where no man has ever gone before and now seems incapable of removing it. Smile
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On 2012-03-13 20:42, gaffed wrote:

I'm quite confident that everyone here knows who I was directing my comment to. Well, except for perhaps the one I was referring to as his head has gone to where no man has ever gone before and now seems incapable of removing it. Smile


Perhaps a good proctologist would help. Or a few years of maturity.
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