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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
William,
I absolutely agree about buyer beware. We have all been burned and just had to take it. I was merely writing about Richard Kaufman as a character reference to his inability to keep his word. Ironic he would attack Real Secrets when he went back on our deal for lifetime membership. In the end of it all, I am actually just curious to see what is being offered. I have missed out on Michael Weber's material before and regretted it. Now I have the chance to get some surprises in my mailbox once a month. James Quote: On 2012-02-27 22:13, writeall wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
@writall and Xiqual, I agree with you both. Expecially writeall. It really is no fun being a cynic.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Dan McLean Inner circle Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur 1261 Posts |
Look at it as a bet. I'm betting $144 that it will pay off.
Yeah conjuring sales can be risky. In general. And I've been burned before. But Mike Weber and Max Maven have excellent track records. Never read or heard anyone question their honesty. I've met both of them. Very intelligent men. And both of them have stock piles of material they haven't printed. Here's an example. There's a recent effect called Steam. It's based on a principle that was new to me and from what I read new to a lot of others. I did some digging and it turns out the principle has been known for quite a few years by a select few. One of them in the know was Mike Weber. Now I know this project involves more than just Weber and Maven so I don't think any problems will be based on a lack of material. Like I said, I like my chances. And I've already spent the money so I'm not worrying about it. |
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Dan McLean Inner circle Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur 1261 Posts |
And I've gotta agree with Xiqual. "Now I have a chance to get some surprises in my mailbox once a month."
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
It's good to be cautious and cynical about things ( it's how we protect family, etc. from harm )
I'm actually a very cautious and cynical person. I've been in sales, been burned as a consumer, etc. But like most anything in life, too much of anything isn't good. However, there is something deliciously rewarding about throwing caution to the wind and taking a leap of faith. I've already bought more new magic that I don't even notice the fee I paid to Real Secrets. I'm not rich, but awhile back the wife and I wrote down every single thing we paid for over a 30 day period. From gum to coffee. Boy, does it add up. You don't even realize how much you spend. Just $10 a day ( lunch, coffee, etc. ) is $300 a month. So, I stopped all the little things I bought each month and funneled it into magic. I sell most everything and buy more stuff. It's a fun hobby and I love packages showing up at the door. A $5 Starbucks each day pays for Real Secrets in a month. I chose magic over expensive coffee. |
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts |
To answer a question above - according to an email from the Team, they will draw the renewal payments at 2.5 months for the 3-month subscriptions and at 11.5 months for the annual ones.
I am handling my dispute with these people privately but so far they have been totally negative in response. My disagreement is over advertising a "one-time annual payment" for a membership and then cancelling the paid membership (with a refund) when a recurring annual payment for the following year is cancelled by the member. I realize that not everyone is concerned about this aspect of the process, but I have been burned in the past when an automatic payment was assigned to an account of mine without disclosure to me and a bill was marked paid and I was later charged a late payment fee by the credit card company over a charge that I never knew was made.
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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shaunproof Loyal user Parts Unknown 228 Posts |
Remember to put a thing in your will about the recurring payment in case you die. Make sure your loved ones cancel.
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
IMO, Real Secrets is not handling anything very well.
TH
Occupy Your Dream |
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Richard Kaufman Inner circle 2532 Posts |
"Xiqual" is James Linn, who indeed bought a lifetime subscription to The Genii Archive for $200 in 2007. He had four years of access to the archive before we stopped selling separate access to it, and it became a free benefit of being a subscriber to Genii.
We refunded Mr. Linn $150 of the original $200 he paid. Considering that single year access used to cost more than the $50 he paid for four years of access, I can safely say that in refunding the bulk of his money he has proven that NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED. Notice that Mr. Linn states he paid $200, but leaves out how much we gave him back so he seems like a victim, rather than someone who actually got a pretty good deal. Mr. Linn got four years of access to the Genii Archive for $50 (a quarter of what he would have paid if he had paid one year at a time) and we sent him back $150. As far as what any of this has to do with Real Secrets, I have no idea. I've paid my money for Real Secrets and will put up with the auto-renewal. If it's worth it, you'll hear about it. If it's not, you'll also hear about it. |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On 2012-02-28 14:20, Richard Kaufman wrote: Get in there Richard -- that's sorted him. James is obviously one of those stupid people that thinks when they sign up for something for a lifetime it is a human lifetime when everybody else knows lifetime subscriptions to Genii were based on the average life span of the Short Tailed Opossum. |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
Hm. Four years of access for $50 = 16 years of access for $200. So anything beyond 16 years of a lifetime subscription would be a better deal than four years for $50. I guess whether or not canceling a lifetime membership after four years and refunding three quarters of it is a good deed as long as the subscriber is going to die soon.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Richard Kaufman Inner circle 2532 Posts |
Ray, he got most of his money back. Did you miss that part?
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boboshempy Veteran user Jersey 373 Posts |
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Devious Inner circle 2120 Posts |
@Richard Kaufman,
I never liked that guy Xiqual...we should sick Opie Houston on him! You have lots of class Richard, $50 what a bargain sir! |
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Who has more fun than people? And, we get all the credit 'cause we thought it all up out of the ether! Oh, wait, ether is gone, no? Well, but that's what I mean, out of nothing. Anyway, this latest has added a good belly laugh to this whole thing.
I blame this all on the lawyers. Their college funds required very creative word-smithing, which started small but grew to challenge some of our more immutable concepts. I mean, what could be more encased in cement than "till death do us part"? But, obviously, there is a totally definition to that phrase and marrieds are parting like an over-worked barber. But I have to readjust once more, as "lifetime" doesn't mean that anymore. I always sort of knew that it could mean the lifetime of the company and when it folded so did lifetime. That is why I started buying more "lifetime" warranties as I grew older- I could calculate the bargain. It just never occurred to me that "lifetime" could end whenever the seller got the urge. What I can't figure out, if that is OK with the world, why do I have to make my various payments on time? What exactly is a payment, and what does due really mean etc. etc. etc.....
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
@Richard Kaufman:
I have your Pass video. It's excellent, but you have that cheesy moustache . Could I get a partial refund for having to see that? |
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Tom G Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I'd have been happy to get a 75% refund from any of the sites I subscribed to and folded.
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
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On 2012-02-28 14:45, Richard Kaufman wrote: No I didn't Richard but I'm puzzled as to how somebody subscribes for a lifetime and it turns into 4 years. ? |
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Richard Kaufman Inner circle 2532 Posts |
Zombie Magic, I have that old mustache in a box. Give me your address and I'll send it to you for your magic collection. You can put it with all the other "cheesy" mustaches you've collected from the 1980s.
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2012-02-28 15:31, Richard Kaufman wrote: lol. You're a good man, Richard Kaufman!! And a mentalist, because I also have a box and it has two of my own cheesy 'staches from the 80's! |
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