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DanHarlan V.I.P. 971 Posts 
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Okay, okay, I confess... I AM REAL SECRETS.
Does that inspire you with confidence? Totally kidding, of course. I couldn't resist. --Dan Harlan |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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On 2012-03-04 13:32, DanHarlan wrote: Nice try Dan. but we only know you as THE REAL DEAL! We need MORE HARLAN's! Clarke |
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts
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Gaff, don't feed him.
Harla, ya got me. I was ELATED! For two seconds. Dog gone...
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts
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On 2012-03-04 14:34, Atom3339 wrote: Yeah, your right of course. If anyone should know better it should be me as I own and run a forum site! Sorry people. 
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-03-04 11:15, sirbrad wrote: How's the view from "the high road," Brad?
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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shaunproof Loyal user Parts Unknown 233 Posts
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The other real secret is that this will be a good platform to sell even more real secrets to a captive audience.
But it's an "elite" community -- so don't worry about this stuff getting into the hands of the non-elite. |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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Sean Scott did the right thing and included all the extras for free after a few people complained about his DVD. He even re-recorded some tips on how to achieve some of the harder effects on the DVD. His customer service is great.
James Quote: It is prettty sad how magic thieves are releasing a lot of DVDS now and say that you do not have performace rights to the material, and you have to buy more stuff later.
Still with the Chinese circus
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts
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The psychology is fascinating. Something is inherently more valuable in our community because it is secret and exclusive.
What a neat commentary that is on our artform. Compare it to music, where any mook can buy the sheet music or transcribe a melody by ear. In that realm, it's the performance and the performer that makes the critical difference. For us, hidden knowledge has much more sway. Arguably, it's why I first got into magic -- I wanted to be part of the club, part of the priesthood, part of the clique who "knew". Expect this type of marketing to catch on. Step one: Top secret issue, full on exclusivity. Step two: Slightly less exclusive, released during lectures. Step three: Finally released in a compilation, "[Insert famous magician]performs the best of Real Secrets." "Hi, my name's Bill and I'm addicted to secrets." "Somebody lend me $144." |
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Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts
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On 2012-03-04 18:47, writeall wrote: There is a 12 step program for that. Unfortunately, you end up a drunk.
Et tu, Spartacus?
https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/chispadeelpaso.html |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27482 Posts
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What's the fuss about some tricks for twelve dollars each, and some relative exclusivity on the material? Not as pricy as tenyo items and not sold to laymen in toystors. Where's the beef?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-04 14:51, gaffed wrote: Ah, so online forums are pretty much your entire life so you don't actually perform magic. That explains it all. I bet you count people's posts all day there also. 58.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-03-04 15:18, FrenchDrop wrote: Pretty good, can see all the veiled attacks nicely. You should come up here and check out the view sometime. Although it is pretty ugly down there.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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edh Inner circle 4697 Posts
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Limited releases(once it's gone it's gone) have not been so limited in the past.
I'll wait for the limited releases to be released.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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Yeah exactly. They just say it is limited now so that all the suckers spend their cash, then later on they screw them over and change the rules to make more money. Many here have a lot of learning to do, and the thick-headed ones have to learn the hard way.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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Sorry you are so cynical. I have a positive attitude that this will be fun. Exclusivity, or supreme value are not that big of a deal. I like surprises, don't mind not knowing who is behind the curtain and I think this will be great.
20 years ago I visited Taiwan, met my wife, returned to the States to sell all my stuff and moved here. I took a huge risk. Best decision I have ever made. Without risk, there is no gain. I understand you don't like this deal, but why are you so adversarial about it? I like it, great, you don't like it, great. You seem so angry that some people here want to buy in. May I ask why? James Quote: On 2012-03-04 22:05, sirbrad wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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I am not cynical I am skeptical due to the lack of information and how the website is set up. I also stated that I don't doubt that the material will probably be great, but I don't like how they are operating their business and trying to mislead people. I am only cynical to those who continue to quote and attack my viewpoint, and just want to hear nothing but praise for a unknown product. I like the idea of getting a surprise in the mail once a month, but I don't like how they try and sneak in a recurring bill, and how they are disrespecting customers by expecting them to play by all of their rules or else. This whole concept also disrespects all the other great material out there and attempts to make it all seem inferior somehow, just because we know what it is. Which is nothing more than BS and a marketing ploy, and apparently one that works on most magicians who always crave more "secrets".
In my real life I am very positive and I take risks all the time. But not without researching as much as possible first, and reviewing all of my options carefully. But with this product there is nothing you can review. It equates to bascially playing the magic lottery and hoping that you win. Which rarely happens.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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On 2012-03-04 23:33, Xiqual wrote: James, that's a beautiful story and an example of REAL magic in life. Thanks for sharing it! Clarke |
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Howie Diddot Inner circle San Francisco & Los Angeles California 3288 Posts
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On 2012-03-04 10:05, sirbrad wrote: I should have been clearer on my point in my original post. The best way I can explain it is to have you click on this link and read the “legal notice” of the purchase of the routine, it states that the routine can only be performed live and not on television or on video without written permission. or in a case of additional fees having to be paid. |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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I would first like to say that I am sorry for making jokes at your expense. I hope you will accept my apology. For myself, I cannot praise the product because,lol, I have no idea what it is.
I am a pro magician, I am also a teacher. My stage show is pretty much set, adding new things is usually just a line or gag here or there or some new timing with the jokes according to the delivery and setup. I do use a lot of closeup for my students and I do love to get new magic and play with it. I am lucky because I am a pro AND a hobbyist. I don't really care about the supposedly exclusive nature or the big secret part. It can't be elitist because anybody with $40 can join. This is of course how I feel. You have stated your feelings and I certainly see your point and I respect that. Like I said, I don't mind the recurring payment, if it's good, I'll stay if not I'll cancel. Thank you for your civil reply, I hope we can remain in conversation mode. James ps Your ending point is very true. Actually taking risks without knowledge is being a degenerate gambler,lol In this case, I just want to play. If you are right, I will be the first to say you were, I promise. Quote: On 2012-03-05 00:13, sirbrad wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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No problem, I don't hold grudges. I have been posting on magic forums for 10 years now nothing really offends me, and I expect disagreements. But if someone attacks my opinion I will defend it. But with forums it is not always easy to judge tone through text, so there is a lot of misinterpretations and assumptions. Some just like to start fights and bicker but I actually like to avoid it if possible. Seems to be the nature of forums though. If you go against what is popular you get ganged up on by all the supporters. But it is nothing to me as I like to take the road less traveled. I am still not entirely against ordering this if they cleaned up the website and did not force a recurring payment. There really is no point in having auto-billing, if the product is good that will take care of itself. I am not against the idea or the potential of the material. A wise man changes his mind, a fool never will. So I am still on the fence.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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