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rockwall
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Hey Mike, not all of us are whining!! Smile

And I'm not even sure it's all that many that are. It's just that some are doing so much of it, it might sound like a lot.
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All of this will be much clearer come April. Regardless how everything turns out, I for one will have fun going through the process. I hope I don't spend too much money in their secret store though. That's where some of the calculations are off determining RS success.
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On 2012-03-07 16:28, sirbrad wrote:
....Or maybe it is just an alter-ego used to rile up people who take online forums far too seriously, and used for my own and other's entertainment...


Wow, full marks for doing that. While you are talking slang and hanging with... who?

Your street talk is truly awe inspiring; I daresay my kids would be wowed by your sheer street credibility. I could take you for a walk in our street, and with your attitude it's ten to a half your head would be well and truly kicked in within 3 minutes.

It's not just old men who respond badly to prats, the rest of us do too.
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The Premiere installment of Real Secrets will be mailed on the first of April. After March 30th, all new orders will begin with the May installment which will ship May 1st. After the first of each month, it will not be possible to obtain prior installments. For those wise enough to have invested in an application for Platinum level membership, there will be additional interesting objects and unusual things you will receive in your first and following installments. You will not know what to do with these mysterious items ... so simply save them and await special bonus instructions. You are in for many happy treats and surprises along the way.

Close to the end of March all applicants will be sent notification as to their pending membership status. Those whose applications were not able to be approved will be issued prompt notice and a 100% refund of their application fees. Those who are accepted as members of the Real Secrets Community will receive a new, unique membership number that should be kept secure and not shared with anyone else. In addition, we will reconfirm each new member's information to ensure prompt, accurate shipments each and every month.

We sincerely thank those who have applied for membership. Rest assured the ongoing happy surprise and satisfaction of our members is one of our most important goals. Remember that any member may cancel his membership at any time and receive a timely pro-rata refund of their application or membership fees. Many surprises and lots of great magic await the members of our limited and exclusive community and we are looking forward to the start of something special and important.

The Real Secrets Team
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On 2012-03-10 18:33, Real Secrets Team wrote:
The Premiere installment of Real Secrets will be mailed on the first of April. After March 30th, all new orders will begin with the May installment which will ship May 1st. After the first of each month, it will not be possible to obtain prior installments. For those wise enough to have invested in an application for Platinum level membership, there will be additional interesting objects and unusual things you will receive in your first and following installments. You will not know what to do with these mysterious items ... so simply save them and await special bonus instructions. You are in for many happy treats and surprises along the way.

Close to the end of March all applicants will be sent notification as to their pending membership status. Those whose applications were not able to be approved will be issued prompt notice and a 100% refund of their application fees. Those who are accepted as members of the Real Secrets Community will receive a new, unique membership number that should be kept secure and not shared with anyone else. In addition, we will reconfirm each new member's information to ensure prompt, accurate shipments each and every month.

We sincerely thank those who have applied for membership. Rest assured the ongoing happy surprise and satisfaction of our members is one of our most important goals. Remember that any member may cancel his membership at any time and receive a timely pro-rata refund of their application or membership fees. Many surprises and lots of great magic await the members of our limited and exclusive community and we are looking forward to the start of something special and important.

The Real Secrets Team

Wait just a minute...APPLICANTS? Pending membership status? So everyone who has already sent money to Real Secrets is just an applicant whose membership may be refused? On what grounds? And did they know when they sent the money that they were just "applying" for "membership"? (I've seen a lot of people talking about how excited they are about getting that first surprise in the mail; I haven't seen a single person saying "I hope my application is accepted.")

And what about the money these customers-suddenly-turned-applicants sent to Real Secrets? What's their money doing between the time they sent it to Real Secrets and the time they're rejected and receive a refund?

April 1 is seeming a more and more appropriate date for the launch of this thing.
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And what about the money these customers-suddenly-turned-applicants sent to Real Secrets? What's their money doing between the time they sent it to Real Secrets and the time they're rejected and receive a refund?


Collecting interest for the Real Secrets Team. Smile
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I'm an excited Real Secrets "applicant"!
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I haven't felt the need to sign up to this. But I do think that speculation is just that: speculation.

Let it be, as they say on the subcontinent. It really is noone else's business. The arguments against this sort of marketing have been made clearly and loudly.

Time will tell. Maybe the whole thing will fall flat, who knows?

On the other hand, it might be great. I won't be included in that, but will be happy for others that are, if it happens.

As others have mentioned, I've got enough books and imagination to suit my own, humble, needs. But if money were no object, I'd take a punt on this, just to see.

The one thing I can say confidently is that Real Secrets have so far managed to actually be secretive. Respect.

If Doc Eason was a contributor, I'd take out a mortgage for the subscription.
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I hope my application is accepted!
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On 2012-03-10 20:25, Xiqual wrote:
I hope my application is accepted!
James

I see what you did there! Smile

But I have to ask: When you sent your money, did you know you were actually just applying for membership, and that your application might be refused and your money refunded weeks later? Or is this news to you?
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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I am still in. No risk, no reward. I continue support with no reservation....

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FrenchDrop,
You know I appreciate your rationality in thinking things through. I wasn't trying to anger you or start trouble. I was sincerely hoping I get accepted. I was not aware of the membership aspect. It is ok with me.
James

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On 2012-03-10 21:36, FrenchDrop wrote:
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On 2012-03-10 20:25, Xiqual wrote:
I hope my application is accepted!
James

I see what you did there! Smile

But I have to ask: When you sent your money, did you know you were actually just applying for membership, and that your application might be refused and your money refunded weeks later? Or is this news to you?
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
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On 2012-03-10 22:16, Xiqual wrote:
FrenchDrop,
You know I appreciate your rationality in thinking things through. I wasn't trying to anger you or start trouble.

Dude! I know that. When I wrote that I hadn't seen anyone say "I hope I get accepted," and then you posted "I hope I get accepted," I thought you were kidding around with me.

For my part, I'm not trying to start an argument with any of the people who've gone in for Real Secrets. But I am genuinely curious about whether any of them knew about this "application" thing and how they feel about learning that there's apparently a possibility they'll be rejected.

I'm also curious about the basis on which Real Secrets would reject a customer. And why they're only now suggesting that some customers who have paid the fee may not get subscriptions. And why they won't know who they're going to accept and who they're going to reject until late March. Are they going to keep some people's $144 for a month or more, then refund it? Why? And if they reject some "applicants," will those people be told why they were rejected?

Until now, the only thing about Real Secrets that struck me as dodgy was the fact that the people behind it don't want anyone to know who they are. Now, though...with people who thought they had subscriptions suddenly being called "applicants" who might not get a subscription and might not get their money back for weeks, it makes me wonder if things behind the scenes are not going quite as planned.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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It is my sincere hope that folks don't use the fraud word...this is deceptive marketing at worst
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I got a full refund less than 24 hours after cancelling the automatic renewal. Made it pretty clear to me that "membership" was not guaranteed!
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"happy surprise"=giddy applicants.
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This is actually getting better.

With all the torrent sites, internet exposure, etc. we now have a club that is is being selective on who joins.

You can get your money back now, or have it pro-rated if you don't feel it's for you.

Let's keep the faith!
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Has anyone here asked for a refund who didn't get it right away? Because it sounds to me like we have to beg them to take our money and not refund it!
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On 2012-03-11 00:26, Zombie Magic wrote:
This is actually getting better.


Yes! Hooray!
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Gosh I never thought of it like that. Ok, here goes.
I HOPE I get accepted, please.
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On 2012-03-11 00:51, newguy wrote:
Has anyone here asked for a refund who didn't get it right away? Because it sounds to me like we have to beg them to take our money and not refund it!
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
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