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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts 
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On 2012-02-20 16:53, Zombie Magic wrote: Yes they will ignore you just like the Café does. But nonetheless, whether people "bash" or praise this idea no publicity is bad publicity. But I got plenty of material that is "hidden" and that no one else performs, in magic books/magazines dating back to the early 1900's. They say the best material is hidden in books, and that is especially true these days. I have several hundred of those so I guess I will good for awhile. But the DVD collection is now getting up there too. I just wish I was not so busy doing the material from books for the last 30 years, then I could actually get a chance to view the DVDs. Quote:
On 2012-02-20 18:48, JCheng wrote: Actually that is probably so they can get past the 45 day claim period for paypal in case they don't deliver  .
Posted: Feb 21, 2012 12:48am Yeah nothing is secure on that site until you log into paypal.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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todsky Inner circle www.magicstore.ca 2370 Posts
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Well, I got my refund. I'll wait a little while to see how things sort themselves out with this project before deciding whether or not to jump back in again.
Todsky's Magic Shop: over 15,000 tricks, books, DVD s and Card decks. www.magicstore.ca
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Mercury52 Inner circle Kevin Reylek 2332 Posts
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Hey guys. I can’t say much due to the whole nature of Real Secrets, but I now know who some of the people behind the project are, and they are VERY well-known and reputable. I’ve signed up for one year.
 As the ad states, these guys already have the material for year 1 completed, and year 2 is planned out. So they’re not merely one or 2 months ahead of themselves, they have the first year done.  I’m sure they’ve seen the thread here, and I’ve encouraged them to address contact info and security. There is a contact email address that you receive when you sign up with Real Secrets, but I don’t yet know whether or not it can be publicly shared. As for the security of the site, (and this is coming from me, not them) the only info you enter in an unprotected area is your address. All financial info is done through Paypal, which is secure. Since most addresses can be found in the white pages, I wasn’t too concerned with sharing that info.  I can say that I trust the team behind this project very much, and the material should deliver in a big way.  I think everyone should do what they’re comfortable with though. For some that might be waiting a little bit for people to start actually having items delivered. You might miss out on the first month or 2 of products, but your peace of mind could be well worth it. Up to you, but my order is in, and I have zero trepidation.
Kevin Reylek
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edh Inner circle 4697 Posts
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I just don't understand why all the secrecy about the people that run Real Secrets?
Why don't they want to be associated with their own project?
Magic is a vanishing art.
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MagicBrent Inner circle 2707 Posts
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I would just like specifics...don't really like card stuff...would hate to see a platinum special is a card gaff! While I'm concerned too about the security info above I'm intrigued by the skepticism because that would just mean less people in the know so stuff stays secretive
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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Kevin Reylek ( Mercury52) is a first rate person that works in the business ( NY Magic Project ) and I trust him.
todsky got a refund. That's excellent. Shady people don't give refunds without being forced to. And, a friend called me this morning. He attended Blackpool and he swears by this project. He was privy to info we don't have, so I raised all the questions about what was going on and he doesn't know who built the website and about the security issues. This needs to get addressed because it's vital that members are protected and I think Café Members that investigated and reported back to us should be commended. This site is "Magicians Helping Magicians" and I hope no one will be scolded by anyone, Café management or members, for looking out for others. As soon as the site security issues are fixed, I'm going to take a leap of faith and join. When Steve Brooks sent out the PM I was interested because of the names involved. But I backed off because of all the reasons I have mentioned and those of others. Come April, if it isn't the exciting project it's made out to be, I'll shout about it. I don't enjoy getting burned by clever dealer ads or fake demos as much as the next Magician. I've re-read the original post by REAL SECRETS and feel we all acted appropriately.That intro letter sounded like that guy who used to send out magic marketing letters years ago. "Better grab this before I regain my sanity and raise the price ". Good grief! So, I'm joining as soon as it's safe to do so. Clarke |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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If they revealed who all these big names were it would increase sales, and there would be a lot more sales by those who make cautious purchases. But they are hoping that using this whole secrecy thing will sell the product. But for those who are informed and skeptical this throws up too many red flags. It is targeted at magicians who want to fool magicians, or have material that others can't get, and inflate their egos a little more. But there is a TON of hidden material out there already that no one is doing, and audiences won't know the difference. So I think the whole secrecy thing is pretty childish and going a little to the extreme here.
I don't buy any product that I don't know about, or have reviews on. I already know too many secrets as it is, and still have a lot more waiting to be discovered in my library. So unless there are reviews or back issues I have no problems passing on this.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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RevJohn Inner circle Oregon City Oregon, Oregon 2472 Posts
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On 2012-02-22 00:59, sirbrad wrote: But instead you will insult those of us who have made the plunge. It is one thing to say you are not going to buy, but to assume you know why any one person went in on it, especially to inflate their ego is presumptuous and insulting. RevJohn |
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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On 2012-02-22 01:05, RevJohn wrote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rev- I didn't see the insult, but agree that it is an issue with at least 2 points of view and we should all be respectful of the views of others, whether or not they support our argument. I fall into the "once burned" category and am very skeptical of "money up front" promotions. More power to those who jump in and secure a spot. I would probably sign up if the deal was commit now, then we bill you when ready to ship. Also, the lack of real info and real names is disturbing. What could be the reason? Perhaps it is like a conference with no name main speaker, so the ad reads "special surprise star- to be announced". Meaning no disrespect to the few names mentioned as reason for comfort, but the name "Madoff" echoes in my mind... I certainly hope this works out well for you, but us conservative types seldom are there for the big win... Jim
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2042 Posts
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On 2012-02-22 01:05, RevJohn wrote: I did not insult anyone, I just speak facts regarding blind purchasing in general. Some people need a wake up call and should not be so fast to purchase something before knowing anything about it, or who is selling it. I look at it as a cautionary warning not an insult. We'll see how insulting it is if you get burnt later.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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sketchomagic Loyal user Los Angeles 215 Posts
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My question is how long after folks sign up do they start receiving tricks in the mail?
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RevJohn Inner circle Oregon City Oregon, Oregon 2472 Posts
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On 2012-02-22 10:23, sirbrad wrote: Will assume I read your post wrong, and take you at your word that no insults were intended nor sponge balls harmed in the posting of our messages. And if I am burnt later, I will come back and say, "I stand corrected. Again I had hope, and it was dashed." I am all for hope, and here is to hoping that the names attached to the project know what they are doing. I, for one, think they do. RevJohn Quote:
On 2012-02-22 10:50, sketchomagic wrote: My understanding is the beginning of April. RevJohn |
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pennjarr Regular user 110 Posts
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I hope this is as great as it could be, it certainly had me interested. But I must say a big thank you to everyone who has posted on this thread. It got me thinking, if this ad was sent to me, and the word magic was replaced with business (e.g. business secrets revealed) I would run a mile. I do hope that for everyone concerned this turns out to be fantastic, but I am being asked to take a leap of faith with MY money. Perhaps the real secrets folk should take a moment to provide a proper response to address these concerns, in the meantime my money can stay where it is, afterall if I do eventually want to be a part of this there is no rush, I would always rather have the cash in my account than someone elses.
And about the endorsement from Steve Brookes, I am grateful for all that he does, but every time I think of silver shifter I just smile. David Posted: Feb 22, 2012 11:17am And just a further thought, why if nothing happens until April have people signed up already? What's in it for you for the next five weeks? David |
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Mercury52 Inner circle Kevin Reylek 2332 Posts
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Just some more food for thought. I signed up for Real Secrets just based on the info from the thread and PMs. After I signed up, I got the little bit of additional info that I included in my last post. I can also say that folks including Steve Brooks, Michael Weber, Bob Neale, Mathieu Bich, Gaetan Bloom, Tim Trono, Paul Wilson, Christian Engblom, and others have either endorsed, recommended, contributed to, or participated in Real Secrets.
 Apparently Weber even included mentions of Real Secrets during his recent lectures at Blackpool and around the UK, and is giving it his full support.  So these guys aren’t just saying they have big names involved, they truly do have big names involved.  I understand that there are other issues that people are worried about, but thought I’d share what info I’m able. I would imagine (and this is speculation on my part) that the secrecy about the exact people behind the project is two-fold. They seem to want to maintain the mystery and secrecy as a core aspect of the project.  There are also several contributors, so I guess they’d prefer the focus to be more about Real Secrets itself, rather than any particular person.  Kevin
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts
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Total secrecy all the way around? Can this actually exist in today's Magic world? This thing sounded good to me at the git-go, and still sounds good to me. Actually, it is sounding better nad better.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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The Café announcement by them was handled poorly and their website is from the first year of the internet. They have to address this or it will attract negative criticism before the first trick is even sent.
But, it's heavy weight folks behind it and not the ones that release a new dvd or trick each month. They rarely publish anything, yet through their lectures are considered some of the most creative minds out there. Based on the little I was told, I'm joining. And Michael Weber isn't just just releasing material through them, but has been touring ( lectures and convention ) and endorsing them heavily. Kids won't be joining this because of the money. It will be serious hobby guys ( hand raised ) and performers. They made an announcement here, so I think they would like as many subscribers as they can get. But I think those that join will want to actually be quiet about it. Just the nature of people that belong to clubs. Come April I'll either say this smells or give it a thumbs up. But I won't discuss the tricks being sent, which is strange for me as I love talking about magic released. I'm annoyed I have to wait six weeks for the first trick. It's like when I ordered magic in 1968. lol. Clarke |
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts
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A very interesting read here; particularly on how folks here make their FINANCIAL DECISIONS.
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toberman Loyal user 205 Posts
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This whole subject has been blown way out of proportion by the skeptics It's just $12 and if it was a scam you can do a chargeback through Paypal.  Obviously people are concerned about giving up personal info not knowing who is behind it. That is understandable.  But people like Steve Brooks, Michael Weber, Bob Neale, Mathieu Bich, Gaetan Bloom, Tim Trono, Paul Wilson, Christian Engblom and others have endorsed, recommended, contributed to, or participated in Real Secrets. Obviously these individual would not be involved in ANY manner if there were concerns of trust, scams, or anything underhanded. Look at the people who are giving ideas and material... Weber, Bloom, Neale, Bich...  They also advise that all of the material for year one is completed and manufactured so it's not like you will get 2 months and be out.  Michael Weber strongly recommended and endorsed Real Secrets to thousands of attendees during both of his lectures at the 2012 Blackpool Magic Convention. He is very particular about endorsing or recommending any item. How often do you see him endorse anything? Also Steve Brooks recommended it to al Café members knowing who is involved and what is behind it. He could not/would not do that if there was any concern about his members being taken advantage of.   Do you know who owns Tannens, do you know who owns Tango Magic, do you know who runs the IMX convention? Â
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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I must spend at least 1K a year on magic, so $144 isn't that much. It's not a time share or potential swamp land I'm buying;-) But, even with my buddy assuring me it will be worth it, it's a leap of faith for me.
These guys have a great deal of pressure on them to delver each month. Come April, Café members will be shouting praises or disappointment. I've been to a Michael Weber lecture and everyone gets blown away by him. At the lectures, he sells his stuff that he never releases to the general public. I know at least the material he'll give them will be worth it. Clarke |
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts
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On 2012-02-22 14:15, toberman wrote: There are some eminent names in there but we still don't know what it is we would be getting. And with the greatest of respect their views may differ from mine e.g. this from Tim Trono a few years back:- "Ben Harris is soon to release an item I consider one of the top 2 or 3 impromptu items I have EVER seen in over 30 years of magic (one of the others being the signed Coin In Soda can By Wayne Houchin) entitled "Hole in the Head". It will not be released until early April but when it comes out you should RUN to get it." You say its only $12 and that's dead right-- so put it another way--what do you realistically expect to get for $12 when you see the tat on sale for $40 nowadays. Economics point to this being filler rather than first rate effects --but only time will tell !! |
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