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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts 
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On 2012-03-13 20:56, saysold1 wrote: It is GREAT to see Phil back! |
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts
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On 2012-03-13 21:15, MaxfieldsMagic wrote: I think perhaps the latter would be the ticket here....maturity. It will come as time goes by. As the old adage goes; “Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone”. To be quite honest, I would seem to be coming alone. Hey...its easy to get old! 
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On 2012-03-13 20:56, saysold1 wrote: Hey Brett, how’s it going my friend? Not at all too sure about the humor aspect, but suffice to say a little, and I might add, very simple and obvious “insight” into our dear young Café member who feels as though he must try to impress others with obvious lies about his expertise and “30 years” as being a magician. He somewhat blew that whole thing in one of his posts on this thread! Whoops!
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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Phil,
I am truly sorry to hear that. Part of our recovery is I invented a new venue to teach. I was a full time pro for two years butI really feel agents and PR companies are just the dregs of humanity. Not all, but the bad ones just make you sick. So, I started doing in home teahing for 2-5 year olds. I have been a teacher for 18 years and I love little children. Anyway, try to do what you love and get paid, it will work out because you will work so hard! Good luck to you, James Quote: On 2012-03-13 19:48, gaffed wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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James, thank you for sharing your inspiring story!
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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You are welcome Clarke. Thanks for reading,
James Quote: On 2012-03-14 00:39, Zombie Magic wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts
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I read the first page of the thread and that was enough, I don't have the time to read through 24 pages...what I do know is this. Michael Weber talked about "Real Secrets" at his lecture Monday night. During the workshop he did afterwards, he performed and explained two tricks, that completely blew my mind, and the minds of everyone else present, that he said would be in the first release. That was enough to get me to sign up.
Since I don't want to be "out of the clubhouse," as Michael put it, I'll honor the secrecy. I will say that the two tricks he taught were very, very killer (and can be done virtually anywhere with little to no preparation). If the remainder of the releases from "Real Secrets" can at least reach the caliber of this material, it will be a worthy investment. The two effects I speak of are well worth the paltry sum requested for the quarterly subscription. |
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Russell Davidson Inner circle Hampshire, England 1108 Posts
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This product, if you can call it that, is being discussed at length on UK forums too. Most of us are wary, there's the odd one or two that have parted with their cash but they're in the minority.
I find it laughable that anyone would buy in given the circumstances - 1) You don't know what you're getting. 2) You might not even be chosen to receive it. How this will be decided fairly is beyond me. 3) Do you really think it will be new & never seen before? Do me a favour. Nothing in magic is new. 4) You're not allowed to talk about it. 5) RS seem to be using emmotional blackmail to get you to sign up. Buy now or lose out forever. I'm sure you'll receive items so I won't call it a scam, but the way it's been touted is exactly like a scam. Good luck to those that have paid up. I hope you don't feel ripped off when it starts. Not that any of us non-believers will ever hear about it due to the gagging order you've had to agree to. Even if you're dissatisfied how many of you would be prepared to admit publicly you've been stitched up? |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Bràth 3639 Posts
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On 2012-03-14 07:49, Russell Davidson wrote: I will be the first to voice my opinion if I think I've been stitched up. Trust me, if they don't deliver you'll be hearing all about it. I'm taking a risk by giving them my cash. But I believe they are taking the bigger risk by staking their professional reputations on this project.
When the chips are down, the duvet is uncomfortable.
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts
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On 2012-03-14 04:49, Josh Chaikin wrote: Hmm so much for secrets when the effects are being performed AND EXPLAINED at lectures. |
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Michael Jay Regular user Toledo, Ohio 180 Posts
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On 2012-03-14 04:49, Josh Chaikin wrote: I don't quite understand how this could be possible. On the very first page, Real Secrets Team specifically stated: Quote:
On 2012-02-19 00:35, Real Secrets Team wrote: If Weber performed and taught two of the effects from this magic kit, can they say that it's never before seen? Am I crazy or have they broken their end of the deal? Mike. Edited in: Sorry, Ray, you beat me to it. |
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GaryLee Loyal user 275 Posts
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Interresting! They've now lied a few times, and now they are changing and breaking their own rules. The warning signs keep coming.
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts
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So.....as long as one attends a Michael Weber lecture, they will find out who is behind RS and some of what they're offering.
Otherwise.....
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Occupy Your Dream |
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newguy Elite user 411 Posts
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I have a friend that went to the Webber lecture in KC on Monday night. He told me that he praised Real secrets in a special workshop after the lecture but that he only talked about the level of the magic that he had given to the project.
Josh, are you sure he showed you actual tricks from the first release? My friend would not tell me any specifics but said thatt everything Webber did used ordinary objects. How is it possible this was Real secret effects if there were no special props? There is just so much speculation about all of this, every new piece of evidence seems to make things more confusing. |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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On 2012-03-14 10:10, GaryLee wrote: It's exactly like when someone runs for President. That system works quite well here in the U.S. so I'm glad to see a magic company use that as their model! I LOVE the controversy on this! |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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On 2012-03-14 12:26, newguy wrote: I doubt every single shipment every month is going to contain special props. Would that even be desirable? A whole bunch of new effects, none of which can be done without special props? I found it kind of encouraging that someone had apparently seen Weber perform some great effects from his Real Secrets contributions. But I can understand how annoying it would be, if exclusivity was one of the major attractions for you, to know that a bunch of magicians out there had already seen -- and been taught -- those effects, weeks before RS is even due to ship them to subscribers (and that's even assuming they'll be the first effects shipped). If RS is promising exclusivity and never-before-seen material without getting the contributors to agree that they won't teach these tricks at lectures, it's kind of an empty promise.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts
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I need to retract my previous statement...Weber did give high endorsement to the RS project and did show material to us that was from another project. These items were NOT from the Real Secrets project, I should've referenced my notes better before making a statement.
It was a very long evening and I remembered things incorrectly. |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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Josh, thank you for taking the time to revise that!
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts
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Yes, that does change things re: the exclusivity issue.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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I will absolutely say, "Wow I was totally ripped off again, I am so stupid."
I don't mind admitting when I am wrong, especially since I am wrong so often,lol I suppose I am just used to it. The hope of spring eternal wells within my soul, or some crap like that. James Quote: On 2012-03-14 07:49, Russell Davidson wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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I am getting confused. Have these RS effects been shown before, but not taught, or totally secret (in which case, have they been market-tested?
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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