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On 2012-03-18 05:47, billmarq wrote:

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It is obvious to me that they will be happy with four or five hundred subscribers and do not care about a handful of unhappy people such as me.
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You can't please everyone so you gotta please yourself.
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You just have to trust your instincts and hope that if someone doesn't like your idea, you can prove them wrong in the final process. In the end, you can please some of the people some of the time, but that's about all you can do.
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People always say that you can't please everybody. I think that's a cop-out. Why not attempt it? 'Cause think of all the people you will please if you try.
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I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
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For some reason, the following quote comes to me:

The memories of my family outings are still a source of strength to me. I remember we'd all pile into the car - I forget what kind it was - and drive and drive. I'm not sure where we'd go, but I think there were some trees there. The smell of something was strong in the air as we played whatever sport we played. I remember a bigger, older guy we called "Dad." We'd eat some stuff, or not, and then I think we went home. I guess some things never leave you.

- Jack Handey
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Quote time?

"Live each day as if it were your last. And some day you'll be right!"

(from an old Mad Magazine)
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I find this project a little odd but also curious as some of the big names, even Steve Brooks himself recommends this to us. I believe and always will that he is a very cautious person and loves magic than nothing else. So I'm excitedly waiting for this. Hopefully you guys can share a little review about this project.
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On 2012-03-18 12:25, Doomo wrote:
Dude... I have NEVER called ANYONE stupid in this thread...

So what does "BLANKED in the head" mean?
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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BLANKED in the head would be slang for someone who wasn't thinking, not someone who is stupid. Smile

Carry on!
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Oh, well. That's much better, then.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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I am guessing she actually said f****d in the head. Right Doomo?

Tell the truth
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If magicians want to share their back room material and maintain the level of secrecy, they would only share it with someone who agreed to not share it with others (aside from a performance).

Keeping in mind we dislike trailers that show nothing, how would you market a secret that: 1) you don't want to show in a demo or description 2) you don't want all over youtube and exposure sites and 3) has value for those working in the field 4) you don't want a bunch of ripoffs on the market?

I'm curious to hear other strategies that might be effective. This will ultimately be promoted with word of mouth. If it's good it will do well.
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On 2012-03-18 19:40, jtmorris wrote:

... If it's good it will do well.


Exactly!
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On 2012-03-18 19:33, newguy wrote:
I am guessing she actually said f****d in the head. Right Doomo?

Tell the truth

Of course. Which, to me, means stupid or crazy. And Doomo says there's truth in that.... Smile
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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On 2012-03-18 19:40, jtmorris wrote:
If magicians want to share their back room material and maintain the level of secrecy, they would only share it with someone who agreed to not share it with others (aside from a performance).

Keeping in mind we dislike trailers that show nothing, how would you market a secret that: 1) you don't want to show in a demo or description 2) you don't want all over youtube and exposure sites and 3) has value for those working in the field 4) you don't want a bunch of ripoffs on the market?

I'm curious to hear other strategies that might be effective. This will ultimately be promoted with word of mouth. If it's good it will do well.


You can't market a secret. Once it's marketed, it's no longer a secret. The only way to protect a secet, and keep it a secret is to not tell anyone. You can try to file for trade secret protection, but once you sell it, or reveal it to anyone you are no longer under any trade secret protection.
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On 2012-03-18 19:33, newguy wrote:
I am guessing she actually said f****d in the head. Right Doomo?

Tell the truth


Does that really have to be explained to you, and if so.....why? I'm quite confident we all got the point.
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One is far more demeaning.
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On 2012-03-18 21:19, newguy wrote:
One is far more demeaning.


Jeez.....whatever. Smile
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Gaffed,

Blank you

(see?)
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I think Real Secrets is more of a club. Some will be suspicious and want to see all the goods before they pay. Others will join for the mystery.
Every person that has joined knows more than is being written here.

GaryLee is right. No laws protect magic secrets. Patents are really bad ideas for magic because they become public knowledge.

I personally joined for the fun of getting a surprise magic box, from magicians I respect, every month.

All in all, the REAL secret in magic is....YOU. Not the material. If you feel youtube hurts your show, maybe you should read Dale Carnegie.

Audiences actually don't care about tricks, they care about you, the performer, the person. If you share your personality with the audience, they will like you and watch with care.

My personal goal in magic is to be interesting enough on stage to carry the show without magic. I'm not there...YET! I am working on it though.
Maybe I'll never get there. It will be a fun journey though.
James


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On 2012-03-18 20:31, GaryLee wrote:
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On 2012-03-18 19:40, jtmorris wrote:
If magicians want to share their back room material and maintain the level of secrecy, they would only share it with someone who agreed to not share it with others (aside from a performance).

Keeping in mind we dislike trailers that show nothing, how would you market a secret that: 1) you don't want to show in a demo or description 2) you don't want all over youtube and exposure sites and 3) has value for those working in the field 4) you don't want a bunch of ripoffs on the market?

I'm curious to hear other strategies that might be effective. This will ultimately be promoted with word of mouth. If it's good it will do well.


You can't market a secret. Once it's marketed, it's no longer a secret. The only way to protect a secet, and keep it a secret is to not tell anyone. You can try to file for trade secret protection, but once you sell it, or reveal it to anyone you are no longer under any trade secret protection.
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
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I agree that this just means "not thinking" Like when we see a catalog ad for magic and we just push the button or make that decision to buy at all cost.

Doomo's products are fantastic! I know he is all about honest demos and upfront ad copy.

I am probably BLANKED about half the day.
James



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On 2012-03-18 08:57, Doomo wrote:
A thread devoted to something the purchasers cannot talk about... Contractually... A very long thread. With vitriolic arguments about something no one has actually seen... Or can talk about if and when they do see it... I just described this to my wife... She says you guys are all BLANKED in the head... I must admit that there is truth in that statement...
Still with the Chinese circus Smile
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On 2012-03-18 21:27, newguy wrote:
Gaffed,

Blank you

(see?)


WOW!....really? Well, that kind of tells everyone where this thread is going does it not? lol
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Gaffed

No


NOT Really

Just making a point

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