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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts 
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"Okay, c'mon guys - let's not start getting stupid, eh? "
Agree! This thread is much more fun when it doesn't go ad hominem. I am trying to keep my eye on the ball and, even though not a member, eagerly awaiting April 1. I hope for the best, but still have the image of Ralphie running to the mailbox every day. "Drink your ovaltine? Son of a ....."!
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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GaryLee Loyal user 275 Posts
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Yay, I know. Time for me to take a break.
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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I know Magicsquared to be a very intelligent member of the Café. He, like all of us, is very passionate about magic.
I think if the two of you actually met, you would find your similarities far outweigh your differences. Real Secrets is... what it is. If anyone does not like any aspect about the plan, transparency,secrecy, business model of any definition, it does not matter. It's "take it or leave it". I choose to take it. Not because of delusions of exclusivity, or trying to be an elitist snob or getting something better than someone else or having something someone else doesn't. I used to belong to the Shadow network. Unfortunately, I joined after the really cool part where they used to mail letters and send boxes to each other. I always wanted to do that. Later Danny Orleans was going to do a "Magic of the month" club. I wanted to do that but he said shipping would be too expensive. Real Secrets is like a book of the month club, or CD club of yesteryear, but with magic. I'm not really sure what all the argument is about here. I like it, ok great. You don't like it, ok, great. I'm ok, your ok. We are all, a little weird, but basically ok. Alright, I am REALLY weird! James ps This is what my wife and I did this afternoon while you guys were arguing: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a......bd0739ec Quote: On 2012-03-20 10:02, GaryLee wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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GaryLee Loyal user 275 Posts
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When I saw those pictures, I said to myself, there is a man with a heart of gold. Not all of us can do something like that. I know I could never do that because I would make the mistake of feeling sorry for them. You have a great shining smile on your face, and the smiles on the children shows how much fun they are having with you.
That's real magic. What I do is more for myself. What you do is clearly about others. Thanks James! |
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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On 2012-03-19 01:00, billmarq wrote: Bill- great vid! Can I use some of the ideas on my next busking attempt? 
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2012-03-20 02:42, FrenchDrop wrote: I wish there was a way to do a 'like' on the MagicCafe! |
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Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts
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On 2012-03-20 00:37, billmarq wrote: If you decide to do the Bullet Catch, I'll supply the bullets. I have some .308 Winchesters I need to get rid of. I wonder if the RS team realizes that if anyone lodges a complaint Pay pal will lock up their account for as long as 6 months?
Et tu, Spartacus?
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Magicsquared Inner circle 1262 Posts
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Gary,
Real Secrets has a subscription business model. So does amazingclub.com. You said their business models are "not even comparable." But you're wrong about that. They're the same. I fully admire your ability to copy and paste articles from the web (start with this one next time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscription_business_model ), perhaps you learned that skill on your way to your BBA, but nothing in the article contradicts the fact they both have subscription business models. I applaud your college degree and that you own your own business. I only wish it translated into more monetary success, to the point that you didn't feel like $12 a month was -- to use your words -- "such a risk." As a gesture of good will, I would like to buy you a gold membership to Real Secrets,(seriously, PM me your contact information) that way you can see what they're offering with NO risk at all. Then, if it turns out to be a disaster, you and I can BOTH come trash it here. |
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GaryLee Loyal user 275 Posts
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Gesh, not again!
I prefer to not use WIKI, but here you go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_model Business model From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search A business model describes the rationale of how an organization creates, delivers, and captures value[1] (economic, social, or other forms of value). The process of business model construction is part of business strategy. And some examples of Business Models from WIKI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_mo......s_models Thanks for the offer though on the gold membership. That is kind of you, but I'll decline, thanks!
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Magicsquared Inner circle 1262 Posts
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Yes, I know what a business model is. Again, they both have the same business model. Instead of acting exasperated, please tell me how you think they differ (not their business PRACTICES, Gary, their business model).
I'll make it easy on you. "Real secrets has a _____________ business model. Amazing Clubs had a _________ business model." Just pluck the business model you think they're each using from the list. I'm genuinely curious what you think. I would say "subscription" for both, but I don't have a BBA, so what am I missing here? |
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts
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Gentlemen - I am not taking sides, but I believe the major difference between your two opinions centers around the description of the RS business model. Is it a "subscription?" Yes, but that does not describe the entire model which includes methods of billing, advertising the service, etc. I specifically object to one aspect of their way of doing business, something that is part of their model but not part of every subscription based business.
We are picking nits here.
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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Magicsquared Inner circle 1262 Posts
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Hi Bill,
I was speaking in the traditional, broad strokes of a business model. Billing, advertising, and those sorts of things are logistics that certainly play a part in the day to day operations of a business but they generally don't affect the broad business model category. Perhaps that's what Gary has an issue with: the logistics. that's certainly valid. But his concern, at least as originally expressed to me, was with the concept of paying for something when you don't know exactly what you're getting. When I pointed out that this is a well established business model (the "something"-of-the-month club) he acted as if this was nothing like those other subscription services, when in actual fact it's an identical core-strategy (which, as Gary pointed out, is what a business model is). Hold on, there's someone at the door... Oh sweet! I just won an award for helping to contribute to "The Most Boring Tangent on a Café Thread." What an honor. Thanks, everyone. |
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts
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Well, we have at least twelve more days to kill before the REALLY interesting stuff shows up here. Anyway, even before this thread drifted off into discussions of business models or links to videos (ahem) one person announced on the Genii forum that he had quit the Magic Café because of the bickering going on in this particular thread.
I am waiting for the names of the principals behind this scheme. They cannot hide forever. 
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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GaryLee Loyal user 275 Posts
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I agree with you Bill. I for one, do not wish to continue to adress him anymore. If he wants to be right, or believe he's right, I'll give him that. Maybe it'll make his day, rather than have to continue this pathetic arguement I admitt getting caught up in.
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Magicsquared Inner circle 1262 Posts
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On 2012-03-20 15:57, GaryLee wrote: You're adorable. Quote:
On 2012-03-20 15:49, billmarq wrote: That thread on the Genii forum will give you a pretty good idea of some of the people behind it, or at least people who have some kind of stake in it. |
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts
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That thread on the Genii forum will give you a pretty good idea of some of the people behind it, or at least people who have some kind of stake in it. Yes, names of contributors are known but I doubt that each of them is aware of the exact nature of the "rules" for membership or the misleading way it was announced (advertised.) I don't wish to dwell on the negative anymore, but honestly I won't do business with anyone associated with the manner in which this process took place. I sincerely hope for the sake of all whose money was not returned and membership rejected that they receive a great product in return. Maybe someday I will kick myself for stubbornly holding to principles about how I control my own money accounts, because I have missed out on something great, but I doubt it. Meanwhile, I have three books by Harry Lorayne, two by Richard Kaufman (re: Dingle and Bro. Hamman) and one by Schneider to absorb and much to learn.
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4937 Posts
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What in the world makes you think these people are somehow "unaware" of what Real Secrets is doing or the rules that they operate under.
I would imagine those people would be happy to be included in something that was not mass marketed. A chance to be first to publish, then later have the claim on a sleight or effect without it going to youtube. Lots of creators publish because they fear someone else will beat them to the punch. James Quote: On 2012-03-20 17:32, billmarq wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts
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I like Bill's Business Model.
TH
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billmarq Special user State near Arizona 570 Posts
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@Atom - Thanks. I presume you mean the Magic Shopping Network. I can see the magic world coming to that some day. I hope not!
@James - I made an honest attempt to resolve my differences with the RS Team through emails, but was unsuccessful. They insisted that they were right in spite of the misleading message in their announcements and flat out told me that my membership was canceled in spite of my refusal to cancel it myself. I do not wish to obtain the reputation of a whiner or as someone crying "sour grapes," so perhaps I should sit back for a week or two and see what develops. I sincerely hope that none of the reputable magicians named as contributors to the canon of effects to be delivered would approve of the way RS is handling persons such as me who want to maintain control of their own Paypal or credit accounts. I am certain that the majority of members will be happy with the magic they receive. The secrecy and price were not issues for me, only the failure to provide me with what was promised in their advertisement. It is not my intention to dampen anyone's enthusiasm for this deal. Just be aware of the nuances that are not evident in their promotions. Ask yourself if canceling the automatic payment sometime in the future will constitute failure to meet the terms and conditions of the agreement and what the consequences of that would be. I honestly don't know the answer to that, given my experience. 'Bye for awhile.
Honi soit quit mal y pense.
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts
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On 2012-03-20 17:32, billmarq wrote: Perhaps you should contact SIRbrad as he claims to have over 2,000 books in his collection! Maybe he might be willing to sell you some at a very reasonable price. Hell, I don’t think that David Copperfield has that many and he owns a magic museum, but you just never know!
Other than that, and as far as this thread is going.... 
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
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