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rasmus Inner circle Switzerland 1696 Posts |
Quote: On 2012-03-06 13:25, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
A World without Magic is a World without Dreams and Hope:)
Creator of: STEEL (performed by Dynamo), X-RAY, Real Coin Bend (performed by Dynamo), Totally Crazy Bands, Rasmus Haunted Deck, MCF CARDS, Jawbreaker, CRAZY CARD CHANGE, POLTERGEIST, STEEL Stage Version, X-RAY Stage Version http://rasmusmagic.ch |
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rasmus Inner circle Switzerland 1696 Posts |
So that's totally wrong french. I never said after having seen peters version, that I not release mine.
the truth is, that after watching peters dvd, 5 minutes later, I decided definetly to release mine. you don't have any proof for that. but I have the proof of my demo from november last year, before haunted was released.
A World without Magic is a World without Dreams and Hope:)
Creator of: STEEL (performed by Dynamo), X-RAY, Real Coin Bend (performed by Dynamo), Totally Crazy Bands, Rasmus Haunted Deck, MCF CARDS, Jawbreaker, CRAZY CARD CHANGE, POLTERGEIST, STEEL Stage Version, X-RAY Stage Version http://rasmusmagic.ch |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2012-03-20 21:55, rasmus wrote: Yes, Rasmus. Yes, you did. The posts may have been deleted by the moderators, but it's clear I'm not the only member of the Café who remembers you saying that, having seen Peter's version, you had decided not to release your own. I make no accusations. I simply state a fact. You have opted to deny it, and that's fine. But saysold1 -- someone you have thanked for supporting you -- has said he believes my recollection is correct. And I know I don't have a reputation on this board of making wildly inaccurate or unfounded statements.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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rasmus Inner circle Switzerland 1696 Posts |
So by the way, the whole discussion from french doesen't mater at all. it doesen't change anything.
so you see french, life goes on. if you want to spend your life in this thread, feel free to do so. finally the customers decide what version they like and what version they want to buy. so best wishes to you and happy posting
A World without Magic is a World without Dreams and Hope:)
Creator of: STEEL (performed by Dynamo), X-RAY, Real Coin Bend (performed by Dynamo), Totally Crazy Bands, Rasmus Haunted Deck, MCF CARDS, Jawbreaker, CRAZY CARD CHANGE, POLTERGEIST, STEEL Stage Version, X-RAY Stage Version http://rasmusmagic.ch |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2012-03-20 22:16, rasmus wrote: And yet you feel the need to deny what I've said, even in the face of independent corroboration.... Quote:
so you see french, life goes on. if you want to spend your life in this thread, feel free to do so. I absolutely agree. I just feel that -- given the fact that your method and Peter Eggink's are so similar, having virtually the same advantages and disadvantages -- potential customers should have all the facts before making their decisions. And I do think -- all things being virtually equal -- the conduct of the products' creators, toward each other and toward the community, is a valid factor to consider. I don't think this is an unreasonable position.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
I, too, recollect those same posts.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2012-03-20 22:37, tomsk192 wrote: Thanks. I was sure I wasn't losing my mind.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2012-03-20 22:16, rasmus wrote: That it! I suggest better stay away from such feeble arguments and not wasting your time Rasmus. This is a never ending story which keeps popping up & repeating itself from time to time on all forums. The well known is pampered and the less known thrashed. I have been a victim of this so I know it better and how one feels. People who want a better and more reliable version will buy the one they think is the best for THEM. And when it comes to spending their hard earned money, people do know where and how to spend their money wisely. Only those who have purchased (or has ) all three effects (i.e. Static, Peter's Haunted and Rasmus' Haunted) will know the difference and can tell which is better of the three. P.S. Quote:
On 2012-03-20 22:39, FrenchDrop wrote: So now what
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Ustaad, I often read posts by you battling over ethical issues. Perhaps in this instance, you can answer your own question.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2012-03-20 22:42, Ustaad wrote: Not sure what you mean, Ustaad. More than likely, it doesn't matter. For what it's worth, however -- and while we're on the subject -- I recall you being pretty critical yourself of Rasmus's posts on the thread about Eggink's Haunted. Do you not recall that?
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10795 Posts |
Obviously Peter Nardi at Alakazam (who I highly respect) wasn't moved by Chad, Josh or PHP's arguments.
I beleive if he felt that something untoward or unethical was being perpetrated, he would not have carried it. Haunted decks have been around for a long time.
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2012-03-20 22:53, saysold1 wrote: Absolutely. I think this is just a case of parallel development. It happens. But when it happens, it comes down to a question of which product are you going to buy? Which creator will you support? All things being virtually equal, who do you feel more comfortable buying from? That's when matters like personal conduct become even more important than usual.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2012-03-20 22:46, tomsk192 wrote: Sorry, I will not agree with you on this one – I believe in ethics and I try to comply. In our industry it’s a very common phenomenon and a bad habit of thrashing the less known name in magic. Right here on the Café, I can show you that there have been many examples of blatant rip-off of effects by well known names and they go scot-free - just because they have followers & supporters and hence can getaway with anything. Whereas others, the less known, are bashed on regardless till eternity. I do understand that one cannot change the ways we magicians behave but at least we have the freedom of voicing our concern for the less known and upcoming names. I have said & done what I had to on this very sensitive topic. I shall no longer address any query related to this particular subject on this thread. P.S. IMO, it will be good for all of us if we get back on topic - The sooner the better!
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
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motown Inner circle Atlanta by way of Detroit 6127 Posts |
Quote: FrenchDrop is correct Rasmus. You did indeed state that you had no intentions of releasing your version. And for the record, your video didn't show up until after Peter's video was posted on the Haunted thread. You can make up what ever nonsense you want, but facts are facts. So stop the baloney.On 2012-03-20 22:06, FrenchDrop wrote:
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ChadRees Regular user Tucson, AZ 190 Posts |
In my article that is what I was talking about. The person who released the first "work" on the product owns the intellectual propertyrights of that creation. Since Peter and PHP released their video before Rasmus. They are the rightful creators of that trick.
That is just how IP law works, and I think should be applied to magic creation as well. Thanks for pointing that out Motown. Quote: On 2012-03-20 23:54, motown wrote:
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magicology New user 62 Posts |
I truly hope that Rasmus and Mystique Factory make the right decision.
Chad, I noticed there has been some debate in the comment section of your website. A few characters emerged that seemed to be Rasmus posting under pseudonyms. Can you check the IP of those users? If not, I understand. Thank you, Josh |
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ChadRees Regular user Tucson, AZ 190 Posts |
Looking that the comments section under the Third article there are a few new commentators to our site that I do not recognize. Looking that the IP addresses on those posts, I can see that the IP addresses are the same and are all returning to the same location that Rasmus IP address is coming from.
Hope that answers your questions magicology Quote: On 2012-03-21 00:29, magicology wrote:
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2012-03-21 00:12, ChadRees wrote: If that be so, IMO nobody can claim an IP right. Before Peter's Haunted came Static by David Jade. So in any case Peter & party have no rights to IP. And if one digs further into the matter, nobody truly deserves the rights to IP. Here is what the creators of Static had to say:- Quote:
On 2012-03-05 19:28, Csirmaz András wrote:
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
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ChadRees Regular user Tucson, AZ 190 Posts |
Not talking about the creation of the effect but the creation of the gimmick. As for Static, I am unsure of that because I only researched Haunted and Rasmus Haunted Deck, since those were the two products that were in this debate.
Quote: On 2012-03-21 00:38, Ustaad wrote:
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Nick Sand Veteran user 321 Posts |
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On 2012-03-21 00:40, ChadRees wrote: Then perhaps you should dig deeper, before jumping in.
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