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Boudje
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In Europe, only magicians know Bikes. Smile
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Ok,cheers Boudje
Ive upped my standards.Now,up yours!
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The only factor that influences a spectator's opinion on if it's a trick deck or not is how the magician handles them both-- the deck AND the spectator!

It's up to the performer, not the backs of the cards.

SEY
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With blatant disregard for which deck might be the best, I use Stud cards, made by the U.S. Playing Card company. They're thin, easy to faro, and handle well. The underlying presentational idea for my card routine is a tongue-in-check insistence that I'm using a trick deck that's a technological wonder. (The deck has nano-motors, a pH detection coating, a search engine, built in electroencephalogram, etc.) This allows me to have the following interaction with spectators after the show:

Spectator: Thanks so much. That was a great show. So, all kidding aside, where DID you get those playing cards?

Me: (Picking up the box and pointing to the appropriate text.) Walgreens!
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On 2012-04-15 06:28, Adam1975 wrote:
Off topic ever so slightly (sleightly?) but whats the difference between Fournier 505/605.....


I received my order from Spain this morning.

I tried the Fournier 525. It seems to be copy of the 505, but with 6 mm less on the widht. Same kind of artwork, same touch, the only difference seems to be the size. I read it was the former poker size...
This time, I try to Faro them the other side before I destroyed the deck: feels much better, so probably a traditional cut.

To sum up:

505,525: same cards, 525 have 5mm less on the short size. Traditional cut, size of the cards are hard like plastic. After a week of practice, you can faro without pain in the size opposite of the cut, but I assume that's why I destroyed the edges.

18: theses Fourniers are different: new cut, and not a plastic feeling on the edges: they are smoother. Really easy Faro out of the box from top to bottom.

605: didn't tested them, but the only differences seems to be an extra layer over the 505 cards.

505, 525, 18 costed 3,6€ and the 605 costed 10€, that's why I didn't try the last one.
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The notion that anything other than Bikes will be viewed as gaffed decks is pretty passe'. I use Aristocrat, Stud, Bee Arrco and Casino cards all the time. Have never been asked about gaffs. It's all in your attitude.
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My personal favorite deck?...'Split Spades Lions 1st edition' hands down. While I do more 'stage' type work these days, my beginnings in magic were rooted as a cardman (purist). There are few decks I haven't put serious time into at some point or another (& still do). For me the Lions 1st edition meet every criteria of what makes a deck great: look, handling, mystique, durability (& even gaff for good measure). Granted they're becoming more and more rare by the minute these days...but I'll go out of my way for them anytime. They're a joy to work and perform with, and I recommend them any chance I get.
But now on another note, while standard bikes are the all-around 'workhorse' decks in our profession, I've seen Aviators and Studs mentioned here...and I couldn't agree more. Both of those decks are inexpensive, under-used and under-rated often times...but they are fantasic decks in their own rite and can't be beat for the price Smile
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Bikes are good.. but now I don't use gimmicked cards, I feel I should look for something nicer quality. (Im european and as such bikes are for magicians).

I tried some bees and I really like them.. I need borders though.

So ive ordered 6 decks of tally ho. Hoping theyll be what I'm after...
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On 2012-05-06 18:26, thecharlatan wrote:
I tried some bees and I really like them.. I need borders though.


Like these?

http://www.theory11.com/playingcards/stingers.php

SEY
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I really like those Bee Stingers--Beautiful cards.
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On 2012-02-24 12:25, volto wrote:
What is the best quality deck of cards currently made, in the world, and why? By quality I mean specifically for magic, not XCM or classic manipulation. So, DL/TL, back to back doubles, pinkie counts, holding the double, palms, crimps, response to roughing, sliding and/or friction for various counts, durability.


I have spent a lot of time and reviewed over 35 decks trying to answer that question. The truth is there is no one card. It really depends on your style. Now you have specifically excluded XCM and classic manip from your list which helps limit the field somewhat but there is still a lot of style variance in different types of magic. Here is a link to my buyers guide.

http://www.custom-playing-card.com/buyers-guide.html

To answer some of your specific parameters let me address each point by point.

DL/TL: Fournier 605 or Anglo Rug (honorable mention- Sentinels)
back to back doubles: Fournier 605
pinkie counts: Aristocrat(Most cards on Aristocrat stock perform almost identically so I am referring not only to Banknotes but also Stingers and E.A.T.C.T.)

holding the double: Fournier 605 or Anglo Rug (honorable mention- Sentinels)
palms: Aristocrat
crimps: Fournier 605 (Honorable mention to Bulldog Squeezers)
response to roughing: Never use it so I can't say???
sliding and/or friction for various counts: Fournier 605, Piatnik, (honorable mention-Carta Mundi, Blue Crown Vaudville, Bulldog Squeezers)
durability: Fournier 605, Piatnik, Carta Mundi

If you had asked about the following these would be my answers...

Dribble based techniques(magic and flourishing): Aristocrat, Tally Ho cards
Faro shuffling: Richard Turner Gold Seal decks, Aristocrat, Bulldog Squeezer, Fournier
One handed Faro: Richard Turner Gold Seal decks, Aristocrat, Bulldog Squeezer, Fournier
Tabled Faro: Richard Turner Gold Seal decks, Aristocrat
Bottom Dealing: Richard Turner Gold Seal decks, Aristocrat


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So, my vote is Fournier, in either 505 or 605. But there's probably something better out there...?

That is basically my vote as well but if your style of magic takes you to the table such as a gambling demo, then the Ricard Turner Gold Seals and anything on Bee Aristocrat are hard to beat.

Here is my personal rankings of favorite decks.
http://www.custom-playing-card.com/best.html

It is actually an on going poll. As soon as more people vote for their favorite decks(press the like button on the page of a deck you like) then I will update it so that the ranking is community based and not just my own personal opinion.

There is a lot of info in there so surf around. What I posted here is just off the top of my head.

Cheers,
Erik
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Interesting thread. As a beginner I've only just considered the idea that there are different qualities of playing card!! Smile

For those of us in the UK, the issue is somewhat different I guess. The idea that it's better to have card x (say bikes) over card 'y' because they're more familiar to the layman is, perhaps, compounded by the fact that in the UK 'bikes' (and others) are pretty much unheard of...

For the UK, it seems that Waddingtons are pretty much the only card name known, and bridge cards are far more common than poker sized cards.

I'd be interested in what experienced UK cardicians have to say on this topic ...
'One of the safest ways to make a good performance is to have tricks which work so easily, that mechanics can be forgotten and every attention devoted to presentation' - Corinda
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Play the cards you're dealt.

Harry Lorayne has it right!
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I noticed in his early specials David Blaine used Bikes before he designed his own.
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On 2012-05-07 12:30, The Amazing Pog wrote:
Interesting thread. As a beginner I've only just considered the idea that there are different qualities of playing card!! Smile

For those of us in the UK, the issue is somewhat different I guess. The idea that it's better to have card x (say bikes) over card 'y' because they're more familiar to the layman is, perhaps, compounded by the fact that in the UK 'bikes' (and others) are pretty much unheard of...

For the UK, it seems that Waddingtons are pretty much the only card name known, and bridge cards are far more common than poker sized cards.

I'd be interested in what experienced UK cardicians have to say on this topic ...

I can't speak for the UK cardies(not being from there) but I have heard many of them trash on the Waddingtons. Personally I think it is a case of "Grass is always greener on the other side." Waddington's are every bit the quality of Bikes. They are a little softer, more in line with a Bee, but in overall quality I find them just as good as the main "off the shelf" cards produced by USPCC(Bike, Bee, and Tally Ho) So the gist is, unless you have an interest in experimenting with some of the USPCC made "custom playing cards" that are usually printed on higher grade stocks, run through the higher grade "Web Press," and given more thorough quality control inspections throughout the printing process, you are just as well off using what you have got.

Incidentally, if people get off the card and magic forums and start to explore the serious hard core "self printing" forums, you will discover that currently the most highly regarded "black liner board"(card stock as we call it) is being produced in Germany right now. My experience with continental European card manufacturers such as Carta Mundi, Fournier, and Piatnik(the manufacturers who have better access to European black liner board) is that their card stock pretty much blows USPCC away.Now that is not all the fault of USPCC. They can only work with what they have. Being a guy that spend the better part of a decade working in Fire and Timber management for the US Forest Service I know all too well the trouble that are facing the North American Forestry industry. Problems with the forests mean problems at the mills. Problems at the mills mean problems for the printers. And problems with the printers means inconsistent stock quality that has been the source of much ire over the last 5 years. The good news is that I have noticed more consistent card quality over the last two years so hopefully, with the new plant, USPCC has turned the corner. Time will tell...
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On 2012-05-06 21:43, epsilon97 wrote:
I really like those Bee Stingers--Beautiful cards.



White-bordered Bee cards can also be found here:

http://www.kardwell.com/bee-texas.htm

Beauties!
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Based on this thread I picked up some Aviators at the market down the street today. At $1.99 a pack I couldn't pass it up so I grabbed one red and one blue.
They're a lot different than bikes.
So far I like them alright but I'll have to play with them some more and get them all the way broken in to know for sure.
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Another vote for aviators; I was pleasantly surprised
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Bee Stingers are my all time favorite. I have some in my hand at work Smile
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After a full day with them I am really liking the Aviators. They faro so easy. And they're tough. I've been beating the crap out of them and they're taking it. They're still a little weird to riffle and waterfall for me. For some reason it's way different than the Bikes for this. I'm starting to get used to it though.
Think I'll go pick up some more.
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