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Look at this video and in particular the segment starting at 1:40, it is basically saying that Tarot readers and Palm Readers take advantage of the gullible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xu2cUAVl......a_player

Utterly amazing that some people can watch this and not pick up on what was said by Paul Zenon.
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He is just another person trying to exploit others for his own personal gain.

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Build a Straw Man... tell everyone it is evil... and then tear it down...ROTFLMAO... So a Magician taught him how Psychics did it? Really?
Reminds me of a guy who said Dowsing was fake... showed everyone how he thought it was done... they tried it... and when they failed he said... See, I told you it was Fake... and then left with his lecture fee... Smile
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"He is just another person trying to exploit others for his own personal gain." But isn't that what everyone here does,rather your exploiting their belief system, their willingness to be entertained or where their sense of wonder may be. When you deal in a field where absolutes are not black and white you must accept the grey. You must accept the direction others take.
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Debunking the debunker of the Psychic Minded.... Tony is good at that!
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When people act unkind towards each other, insult those they don't know, and belittle what the don't understand or agree with, no I don't have to accept it. I have to recognize it for what it is, but never accept it.

What I can say is that I don't exploit or take advantage of anyone in what I do. Those who say otherwise are ignorant of my work.

By saying what I'm saying here, I am standing up for myself and others who do similar work. People can believe and say what they will, that Is their right, but their rights end where the next person's begin. Also, my post is not here to bring self promotion to myself, make headlines, or rekindle a failed career. Something to think about when you read articles like the one mentioned above.

Nor did I start this thread, trying to cause trouble yet again in this forum. I just replied stating my opinion of what was offered here, and stood up for myself in the process.

I am a palm and tarot reader, and I have nothing to be ashamed of or hide.

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Eye see it like Tony here.

Charlatans took 'psychic' and exploited it...

Not the other way around.

Wether or not you are aware of that is irrelevant.

It is how it is.

For the record, "bad fortune tellers" are not the only thing taking advantage of people...

Eye am sure you see that though...
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I have no doubt that there are "fake" psychics who do exploit the gullible but then there are, sadly, such individuals in every single walk of life be it business, medicine, politics, religion, whatever. Certainly it would be odd if the psychic field was the ONLY field in the world that didn't have charlatans of some kind. Doesn't mean they are ALL charlatans - after all one priest abusing kids doesn't make all priests deviants.

All I can do is speak for myself and likeminded people such as Tony. We tell people exactly what we are gonna do, we do it exactly as we say we are gonna do it, the people walk away happy. That's the ideal and thankfully the common outcome.

I just think there are bigger issues. I am struck by a couple of beer commercials on TV that suggest drinking their product is an action that can only result in instant parties and goodtimes. Deodarant adverts that suggest using their product will make people irrestibly attractive to the opposite sex. Politicians sending citizens to war for dubious reasons. Banks swallowing money left right and centre. Fighting against such things - if people feel the need to fight - would be noble and worthwhile. Suggesting psychics are all fakes always comes across as less than noble and more about self-promotion. Hey, we all need self-promotion so nothing against that per se I just feel this particular route is the lowest in our art.
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Well, that's half an hour I won't get back after clicking video after video. I could study these techniques all day. Fake, fraud or real, I love 'em! There's lots to be learned from them.

And then I found this: Sally Morgan making a real mess of things live on BBC radio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNQtjepLlQQ What do they say about stopping digging when in a hole?
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What's Sally Morgan got to do with paul Zenon calling all Tarot readers and Palm readers fraudulent?

Well I see I am being branded a trouble maker, cool, I would have thought Paul Zenon and his "pals" were the troublemakers, but yes remember where we are.
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On 2012-03-08 00:57, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
When people act unkind towards each other, insult those they don't know, and belittle what the don't understand or agree with, no I don't have to accept it. I have to recognize it for what it is, but never accept it.

What I can say is that I don't exploit or take advantage of anyone in what I do. Those who say otherwise are ignorant of my work.

By saying what I'm saying here, I am standing up for myself and others who do similar work. People can believe and say what they will, that Is their right, but their rights end where the next person's begin. Also, my post is not here to bring self promotion to myself, make headlines, or rekindle a failed career. Something to think about when you read articles like the one mentioned above.

Nor did I start this thread, trying to cause trouble yet again in this forum. I just replied stating my opinion of what was offered here, and stood up for myself in the process.

I am a palm and tarot reader, and I have nothing to be ashamed of or hide.

Tony Iacoviello


100% with Tony on this...

by the way, I know of a doctor who slept with a couple of his patients... so therefore all doctors do exactly the same...
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On 2012-03-08 00:57, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
When people act unkind towards each other, insult those they don't know, and belittle what the don't understand or agree with, no I don't have to accept it. I have to recognize it for what it is, but never accept it.

What I can say is that I don't exploit or take advantage of anyone in what I do. Those who say otherwise are ignorant of my work.

By saying what I'm saying here, I am standing up for myself and others who do similar work. People can believe and say what they will, that Is their right, but their rights end where the next person's begin. Also, my post is not here to bring self promotion to myself, make headlines, or rekindle a failed career. Something to think about when you read articles like the one mentioned above.

Nor did I start this thread, trying to cause trouble yet again in this forum. I just replied stating my opinion of what was offered here, and stood up for myself in the process.

I am a palm and tarot reader, and I have nothing to be ashamed of or hide.

Tony Iacoviello


Spot on Tony!
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On 2012-03-08 04:44, David Numen wrote:
I have no doubt that there are "fake" psychics who do exploit the gullible but then there are, sadly, such individuals in every single walk of life be it business, medicine, politics, religion, whatever. Certainly it would be odd if the psychic field was the ONLY field in the world that didn't have charlatans of some kind. Doesn't mean they are ALL charlatans


Exactly! And just because Paul Zenon never explicitly says he's referring to ALL psychics, we know that's what he was THINKING. I believe that's called "being psychic." Check and mate, Mr. Zenon.

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I just think there are bigger issues. I am struck by a couple of beer commercials on TV that suggest drinking their product is an action that can only result in instant parties and goodtimes. Deodarant adverts that suggest using their product will make people irrestibly attractive to the opposite sex. Politicians sending citizens to war for dubious reasons. Banks swallowing money left right and centre. Fighting against such things - if people feel the need to fight - would be noble and worthwhile.


Spot on! It's sad we live in a world where people are so gullible. It's doubly sad that some feel the only way to enlighten the public is to "inform them with the truth." Smile The smoking gun here is that Mr. Zenon has chosen only to expose fakes in a field he's familiar with. Very suspicious. As is his claim that he doesn't make any money from being a skeptic. To this, I can only say, "Liar!"

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Suggesting psychics are all fakes always comes across as less than noble and more about self-promotion. Hey, we all need self-promotion so nothing against that per se I just feel this particular route is the lowest in our art.


I couldn't agree more. Trying to educate people is much lower than, say, telling a widow you're in contact with her dead poodle.

I have three words for Mr. Zenon: HOW DARE YOU.

The next thing you know, Mr. Z will be saying (explicitly or implicitly) that all psychic surgeons are frauds just because SOME of them may have been exposed for using trickery on occasion.

I may be expensive but when I perform psychic surgery, I give my clients something that no skeptic can. I give them HOPE. Who can put a price on that? And who the hell does Paul Zenon or anyone else think they are that they can judge me?
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On 2012-03-08 00:57, Tony Iacoviello wrote:
When people act unkind towards each other, insult those they don't know, and belittle what the don't understand or agree with, no I don't have to accept it. I have to recognize it for what it is, but never accept it.

What I can say is that I don't exploit or take advantage of anyone in what I do. Those who say otherwise are ignorant of my work.

By saying what I'm saying here, I am standing up for myself and others who do similar work. People can believe and say what they will, that Is their right, but their rights end where the next person's begin. Also, my post is not here to bring self promotion to myself, make headlines, or rekindle a failed career. Something to think about when you read articles like the one mentioned above.

Nor did I start this thread, trying to cause trouble yet again in this forum. I just replied stating my opinion of what was offered here, and stood up for myself in the process.

I am a palm and tarot reader, and I have nothing to be ashamed of or hide.

Tony Iacoviello


Clear, concise and on point. Thank you Tony for expressing this so well.

Frauds choose an specialty to use for their fraud, the specialty does not make a fraud.

Like you, Tony, I read palms and tarot. I also do numeroloty and astrology. I've never taken advantage of a person, mislead someone on a health or financial transaction, or directed anyone to give me their last dollar to clear away the evil surrounding their money. None of the readers/psychics that I've worked with would do that either. But the frauds do exist, they are not just not the norm they are the exception.

Just my thoughts, Solarzar
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OK I do not know if it was I or another post that ruffled the feathers here, but let me attempt to clarify my earlier statement. As a performer or practitioner of the mystery arts we operate in the grey, we all have different views & value systems of what fits us and is appropriate to present. We all have various views of what is legitimate and what is fraud, so working in this field we must identify that we will run into those that we do not agree with. I am a performing mentalist, do I believe anyone can read my mind or anyone else's(no way), do I believe a tarot is going to allow you to give me anything other than an entertaining reading (also no way)& MG sorry I will decry your psychic healing if all your selling is hope if that is the case then place yourself along side the Benny Hinns of the world.You see there will always be skeptics and nay sayers in this world. PZ has the right to speak his mind if it is for nothing more than his own profit so be it as much as anyone here has the right to speak against my views and points.
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What gets me and mayhap for all time will are the skeptics who will not self educate.

They close the door to consideration of topics they think they understand.

But I see that as a benifit to performers such as myself and see no reason
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On 2012-03-08 12:54, tboehnlein wrote:
OK I do not know if it was I or another post that ruffled the feathers here, but let me attempt to clarify my earlier statement. As a performer or practitioner of the mystery arts we operate in the grey, we all have different views & value systems of what fits us and is appropriate to present. We all have various views of what is legitimate and what is fraud, so working in this field we must identify that we will run into those that we do not agree with. I am a performing mentalist, do I believe anyone can read my mind or anyone else's(no way), do I believe a tarot is going to allow you to give me anything other than an entertaining reading (also no way)& MG sorry I will decry your psychic healing if all your selling is hope if that is the case then place yourself along side the Benny Hinns of the world.You see there will always be skeptics and nay sayers in this world. PZ has the right to speak his mind if it is for nothing more than his own profit so be it as much as anyone here has the right to speak against my views and points.

So how do people respond to what you do?
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Good ? Jim. They respond in various manners some with applause. Some with stunned silence, some with laughter, some with emotion and some with disdain.
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Debunking the debunkers has really caught on. Their straw men and dogmatic close mindedness has made their viewpoint transparent. I'm glad the tide has turned.
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Palm Reading is real. Tarot cards are real. Magic is real. Mentalism is real. Life? Just an illusion! Be right back---E.T. just knocked probably needs my phone again.......


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"Debunking the debunkers has really caught on. Their straw men and dogmatic close mindedness has made their viewpoint transparent. I'm glad the tide has turned."

You really believe this?
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