On 2012-03-15 01:29, visionquest wrote:
Kambiz. Don't be silly. Anyone that knows me will tell you that I am renowned for my humility.

On 2012-03-15 00:52, kambiz wrote:
"Well if it is good enough for God not to respond to challenges then it is good enough for me also."

A genuine psychic would never say that, purely because it lacks so much humility, and breaths arrogance.....are you serious??

Kam

On 2012-03-15 01:55, visionquest wrote:
Kambiz. You are NOT my "buddy". In fact I do not even know you. It ill behooves you to prattle about love,forgiveness, "disunity and division among humans" when you were the FIRST one to show disrespect to someone who has a different point of view to you. Furthermore I would suggest you develop a sense of humour. I await your apology with baited breath.

For my part I am prepared to forgive you seventy times seven. In my infinite mercy I am prepared to allow you to do it only once.

On 2012-03-14 22:48, Lucien Astor wrote:
Why are people always so hostile to the possibility that we are alone in a godless universe, where morals, ethics and 'meaning' are creative choices...and we circle one of an almost infinite number of suns, on a hunk of rock that, by chance, happened to make the evolution of life as we know it possible. And in this cold, uncaring universe, there is no intercessory or caring god...and no meaning for our brief struggle aside from that which we assign to it?

Is that a bad or scary thing?

On 2012-03-14 22:21, Davit Sicseek wrote:
You are confusing causation with creation.

To use the word 'creator' implies personality or intelligence - both absent in the ultra complex cause and effect that resulted in those dust particles clumping together. I hate to say it - it seems like you are trying to have it both ways here. There is repeated talk of god/creator/design and so on - but when I've pressed the matter this talk is being reduced to the much more ambiguous intelligent-design-esque "creative force".

You need to define this 'creative force' a bit more tightly for it to have any useful meaning. Are you saying that this 'force' designed and created the laws of physics and a starting state for the universe and everything after that was materialistic cause and effect? Or is this creative force also intervening from time to time? Maybe the creative force intervened to place the dust in the arrangement on my window???

On 2012-03-14 22:23, Slim King wrote:

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On 2012-03-14 22:16, brody wrote:
And the creator was created by... or is it turtles all the way down?

And the puddle of primordial slime was made by...chance???

On 2012-03-14 22:33, Davit Sicseek wrote:
I think its more likely that the slime was just always there than that it was created by a super natural creator. Saying it was 'created' doesn't really add anything to our understanding does it? As brody points out, it only begs the question of who created the creator - or forces one to accept that the creator wasn't created and just 'was/is' - which you could also say about the slime.

On 2012-03-14 22:48, Lucien Astor wrote:
Why are people always so hostile to the possibility that we are alone in a godless universe, where morals, ethics and 'meaning' are creative choices...and we circle one of an almost infinite number of suns, on a hunk of rock that, by chance, happened to make the evolution of life as we know it possible. And in this cold, uncaring universe, there is no intercessory or caring god...and no meaning for our brief struggle aside from that which we assign to it?

Is that a bad or scary thing?

On 2012-03-15 00:05, The great Gumbini wrote:
Oh I'm sorry I forgot to answer your Post. The reason people are against that notion is quite simple. It's because God does exist and we live in a God-filled universe.

Kam God gave of Himself in the form of Jesus and that is how it is rational for God ( who is able to do all things) to take the form of a man so He could relate to us. That is the power of LOVE.

Good magic to all,

Eric

On 2012-03-15 01:15, The great Gumbini wrote:
The Bible is a storybook? Read Ezek.27 and 28. This was written thousands of years ago. Now look at Israel and it's history. Look at the Middle East does the going on's there make sense to you? It does to me. Read Ezek.29 that chapter is yet to happen---but it is well on the way. Read Revelation and Daniel and watch as that unfolds right before us. The world has never been in a position to fulfill what is written there. You talk about the parting the sea. I take it you don't believe that happened. Ok how then did Israel Exodus? Did the Egyptians just let them go out of the kindness of their hearts? Was that the Egyptian way back then? Hardly. And what about Israel being a nation then not a nation and now a nation again? Do you think that happens everyday? Look at history Israel is the ONLY nation to have had this happen.

Gas prices rise and lower on Middle East tensions. They say because of the uncertainty of that region. If THEY would read the Bible they would know there will ALWAYS be unrest there. The only exception is when one will come and broker a "peace treaty" there that is supposed to last 7 years. It will not. So the blind world will THINK peace has come---and this will be the worst time ever to have been. But you won't know this without reading that "Book of stories".

What really gets me is it is NOT Christians that bring about the prophecies in the Bible---it is non-christians. They don't/won't believe it---yet they fulfill it! AMAZING! Read the Bible folks. There is more to it than meets the eye.

Good magic to all,

Eric

On 2012-03-15 02:32, visionquest wrote:
Kambiz. You implied that I was not a genuine psychic. I take great offence to this since I treat my work very seriously indeed. I consider such implications disrespectful. You implied that I was arrogant and lacked humility. If that isn't disrespectful I don't know what is. I stated that I don't respond to challenges in the same way that God doesn't respond to challenges. That is a different point of view to you and you replied to it with aggressiveness. I then stated that everyone that knows me appreciates my humility. That was a joke that you obviously didn't pick up on and I cannot blame you for that. It was an inside joke to those on this thread who know perfectly well who I am. Modesty is not an affliction I have ever been tormented by.

As for my name, it seems that nearly everyone on this thread including yourself is not using their real name for reasons of their own and which I respect. Furthermore, in the country I come from undue familiarity from strangers is against our culture and the word "buddy" is considered an impertinence and very impolite indeed. Since you are unfamiliar with my culture I cannot blame you for this but would appreciate it if in the future your refrain from undue familiarity.

I suggest at this point we end the matter and continue talking about the topic of this thread. I think there has been FAR too much talk about religion on this thread although a certain amount of spirituality is necessary when giving a reading. I really think we should discuss spirituality as applied to psychic readings rather than getting into a big theological discussion which is liable to give offence and cause dissension.

I suggest reading my longer posts to see exactly where I am coming from in these matters. Unlike many I have genuine and vast experience giving readings and can probably advise on these matters with some authority. I am sorry if it doesn't sound "humble". It just happens to be true and I can back up every word I say.

On 2012-03-14 22:48, Lucien Astor wrote:
Why are people always so hostile to the possibility that we are alone in a godless universe, where morals, ethics and 'meaning' are creative choices...and we circle one of an almost infinite number of suns, on a hunk of rock that, by chance, happened to make the evolution of life as we know it possible. And in this cold, uncaring universe, there is no intercessory or caring god...and no meaning for our brief struggle aside from that which we assign to it?

Is that a bad or scary thing?

On 2012-03-15 08:29, IAIN wrote:

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On 2012-03-14 22:48, Lucien Astor wrote:
Why are people always so hostile to the possibility that we are alone in a godless universe, where morals, ethics and 'meaning' are creative choices...and we circle one of an almost infinite number of suns, on a hunk of rock that, by chance, happened to make the evolution of life as we know it possible. And in this cold, uncaring universe, there is no intercessory or caring god...and no meaning for our brief struggle aside from that which we assign to it?

Is that a bad or scary thing?

well, that's the basics of existentialism...something I'm very fond of...and its a beautiful thing, I find it neither bad nor scary...

On 2012-03-15 08:50, Davit Sicseek wrote:
You can of course believe that without also believing that morals and ethics are mere creative choices.