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Freedomboy
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Oh and no, Jamie never told us how he got an early copy, despite repeated demands! I'm guessing that he never had a copy and was just trolling and got caught out!
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Practicality is subjective... Everyone seems to assume that for an effect to be practical, you have to be able to use it in a walk-around situation with a quick reset. Maybe someone can make use of the cup idea in The Vanishing on stage and it becomes totally practical for them. Who knows. Please specify why you think it's impractical when you refer to something as such.
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Yes, it is funny that Jamie avoids any questions relating to where and when he purchased this? Jamie- what's the truth? Why do I care? Well, you jumped on me for being "cheeky" for requesting a review by someone who has purchased this which would help me make an informed choice about purchasing this. Something that I have offered many times to Café members and something many Café members themselves request. It seems the "cheeky" one might be you here. So what' the deal?
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I'm gonna stick my neck out and guess that perhaps Jamie received a comp copy to evaluate it and generate buzz...
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Whatever. It looks great in the demo. If you are a person that does not want to practice, fine, but don't talk a bunch of noise about how "Your friend said"

We have first hand info from other people that say the hookup is good. I can guess what the gimmick is and I love the stuff. I have used I for years and have an easy time not breaking.

Anyway, I have a friend who has a dog, and that dog saw a guy that lived in a town that had a place over by the thing, and inside this place they actually talked about blah blah blah.
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On 2012-03-31 12:20, saysold1 wrote:
A good friend of mine just got this yesterday and called to give me the scoop.

Not good feedback.

He said this would have been great in a Mark Wilson magic type book, but not to release as an effect.

Those above saying to give Shin a break etc are not doing any favors for this talented young man by rationalizing a series of hurried /so-so release disappointments and the infamous video incident.
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Totally agree Patrick. Except in this case it would probably be exposure. Let's not expose this, just because some people don't like it.
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On 2012-04-01 00:24, PatrickGregoire wrote:
Practicality is subjective... Everyone seems to assume that for an effect to be practical, you have to be able to use it in a walk-around situation with a quick reset. Maybe someone can make use of the cup idea in The Vanishing on stage and it becomes totally practical for them. Who knows. Please specify why you think it's impractical when you refer to something as such.
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Not sure you're hunch is correct Saysold1!

From Jaime:

Posted: Mar 29, 2012 3:36am               
It's one for the drawer of faded dreams I'm afraid.

After putting in hours on this last night it's just not worth the effort.

I feel bad for all those yet to receive it who based their buying decision on the demo. It wasn't misleading but I don't think it's anywhere near as practical as people are hoping.
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Hi Jamie,
I'm confused, we didn't sent you a copy yesterday and Hocus Pocus dispatched yesterday too in the US. Did you courier one over from the US on a same day delivery?
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IMHO, at the right time and the right place, this will blow people away. As stated above, it's not for walk around. I also agree that the coin vanish is the best part and this should have been a download at half the price.

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On 2012-04-01 01:03, saysold1 wrote:
I'm gonna stick my neck out and guess that perhaps Jamie received a comp copy to evaluate it and generate buzz...

Could be. But if that was the case...why not just say so? It's not as if anyone could accuse him of giving it a positive review in exchange for a free copy. And, as Mike points out, Dominic apparently had no knowledge on the 29th of Jamie being sent a copy, free or otherwise.

Mike, I agree: IF Jamie gave the product a negative review before he'd actually seen it, that would be...cheeky to say the least.

What's especially strange is that, early in the thread, Jamie posted more than once about how he was going to take a wait-and-see approach with The Vanishing rather than pre-ordering it, 'cause it looked too good to be true...and then, somehow, he has a copy on the 28th...despite Dominic not sending him one.

It could be nothing, of course. He might be along any minute to explain how he got a copy so early.
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Maybe this is actually an April Fool and we will all get our money back. Smile
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On 2012-04-01 06:03, 8a22a wrote:
Maybe this is actually an April Fool and we will all get our money back. Smile

I managed to get part of my money back by selling it on. What I lost in terms of the difference is what I think this 'secret' was worth. After this and Drift I will never pre-order again. Mind you I said that last time ;-)
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On 2012-04-01 01:21, mike storz wrote:
Not sure you're hunch is correct Saysold1!

From Jaime:

Posted: Mar 29, 2012 3:36am               
It's one for the drawer of faded dreams I'm afraid.

After putting in hours on this last night it's just not worth the effort.

I feel bad for all those yet to receive it who based their buying decision on the demo. It wasn't misleading but I don't think it's anywhere near as practical as people are hoping.
Dominic Reyes

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384 Posts Posted: Mar 29, 2012 3:51am               
Hi Jamie,
I'm confused, we didn't sent you a copy yesterday and Hocus Pocus dispatched yesterday too in the US. Did you courier one over from the US on a same day delivery?


It's hardly a great mystery. The Magic Café is a public forum that anyone can read; therefore, many people choose not to post under their real names. I'm sure that Dominic has sold loads of them to people who don't use their real name on public forums.
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Hi Caliban

Just to Clarify, I can 100% confirm That the person who posts here as 'Jamie' did not receive one from us before he posted his 'review'.
However, although he is based in the UK, I suppose he could have travelled to the US and picked up a copy from Hocus Pocus on the morning of release, but that would not be the most cost effective shipping method to choose. Smile

I really value his opinion, but I did find it strange and wanted to check incase he had fallen victim to someone selling him a pirate or clone copy of the product.
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On 2012-04-01 10:04, Dominic Reyes wrote:
I really value his opinion, but I did find it strange and wanted to check incase he had fallen victim to someone selling him a pirate or clone copy of the product.

And I'm sure Jamie would want to know that the copy of The Vanishing he sold on to someone else was legitimate. I'm sure whoever bought it would be even more interested in knowing if it's pirated merchandise. Is there any chance Jamie could've gotten a legitimate copy from someone other than you or Hocus Pocus in the U.S.?

If Jamie had ordered it under another name, I'm sure he would have said that by now. He could clear this up by simply stating where he got his copy and how he managed to have it on 3/28, if he didn't get it from Dominic. He doesn't seem to want to do that, though.
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Played around with this a bit already - it looks just like in the demo, if you're careful with the angles. You can't have anyone behind you or on your immediate left for the coin vanish. If you can perform in those conditions, then this vanish really does look clean and magical. So it has its place as a legitimate vanish. Wouldn't try this in the spectator's hands, though, unless it was in a dark and noisy environment, such as a bar, with a spectator who was already proven to be cooperative and "into" the magic - in which case it might be worth a go.

Don't buy it for the "gimmick," but for the idea. Agree that it should have been more like $15 (and probably will be soon), but then pricing is very subjective. Not sure how original it is - it's hard to believe that this method and effect haven't been done before. I'll leave it to others who are more knowledgeable to answer that question.
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I think it's pretty clear Jamie didn't actually have a copy. He just has a 'ego' thing where he likes to appear to be one of the guys in the know. Ever since he posted his, "I'm just happy to have played a small part in taking down the WPR", I've had my suspicians about his motives.
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On 2012-04-01 14:07, rockwall wrote:
I think it's pretty clear Jamie didn't actually have a copy. He just has a 'ego' thing where he likes to appear to be one of the guys in the know. Ever since he posted his, "I'm just happy to have played a small part in taking down the WPR", I've had my suspicians about his motives.

Well, I would hope that's not the case. I think negatively reviewing a product you haven't seen is just about the worst thing you could do on this message board, second only to exposure. In fact, it's potentially worse than exposure -- both hurt a fellow magician, but it's at least possible to accidentally expose a secret; it's not possible to accidentally claim you've seen something you haven't.
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I received a legitimate copy. I gave evidence to the member I sold it to that the copy was legitimate (based on my original order documentation) when he queried it. He was perfectly satisfied.

For a dealer to discuss a customers purchase on an online forum is bad form, and a potential breach of the data protection act. I notice you didn't call me out when I gave Mix a good review, only when I gave The Vanishing a bad one. Hmmmm.

I'm all the more disappointed as you well know I've been a good customer of yours and have consistently said good things about your business on these forums.

Frenchy, why do you keep trying to discredit me? There are many people on the Café who are fed up of your stalker like behaviour of certain members. Maybe you keep popping up whenever I post because you fancy me?! Smile
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Jamie, I don't know you. But it does seem strange you haven't outright clearly stated where you purchased The Vanishing. It affects your credibility, IMO.
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Maybe because it's NOYFB how or where he got it?

The real question is why does one total stranger feel as though they can demand private information from another? Just because someone has the audacity to ask a question in no way compels the subject to answer.

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